TylerL - Rehabilitation Day
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Maybe because that's double the money. But, what about when you can charge $300 per client?
As a programmer would you ever pull the shit that's been mentioned in this thread?
I charge 1K just to look at a businesses adwords account and I keep all lines of communication open with clients. If I can't work on your marketing campaign you'll know as soon as I know I can't.
ChrisS hit the nail on the head. Men don't do that shit.
The great thing about this place is that everything's in the open.
Vendor does a good job? +rep 'em.
Vendor cons you? -rep 'em.
Everyone gets to see the trail. If you're willing to roll the dice to get a low price, it's on you.
As for the dude having talent, fine. But he's a prostitute. Every vendor is. Talent's good, but it only gets you in the game. At the end of the day, you're either gonna help your clients bust a nut or not.
TylerL, I hope you succeed. Coming back from the ashes is tough. But something tells me you're gonna have to step up your game, or put your shingle up in some other town.
And raise your prices. Obviously.
Vendor does a good job? +rep 'em.
Vendor cons you? -rep 'em.
Everyone gets to see the trail. If you're willing to roll the dice to get a low price, it's on you.
As for the dude having talent, fine. But he's a prostitute. Every vendor is. Talent's good, but it only gets you in the game. At the end of the day, you're either gonna help your clients bust a nut or not.
TylerL, I hope you succeed. Coming back from the ashes is tough. But something tells me you're gonna have to step up your game, or put your shingle up in some other town.
And raise your prices. Obviously.
But if you don't get buyers at 300 that often, you'll still likely want to take double the money in sooner the time. (ie: make up for it at volume).
Eh, I've had my shares of fuckups, so not really one to talk... just not to this seemingly epic degree, I count mainly 3 major fuckups I've had in roughly 5 years, but I've always tried to find a resolution rather than going AWOL til they hunted my ass down in an apology thread. (I don't think I've ever turned down a client just because I thought their idea was mediocre, if they're paying...)
I agree that communication is key.
Well chicks don't either if they're trying to play it professional.
Tyler started a design project for us over a month ago, it was supposed to be done over a week ago... He has been ignoring all contact with us after repeated attempts.
We prepaid 75% of the overall project to date.
Looks like rehab is going shitty.
We prepaid 75% of the overall project to date.
Looks like rehab is going shitty.
Tyler has done plenty of designs for us in the past, quick turn-around, nice work.. blah blah...
Especially dealing with this con artist. He hasn't replied to this thread in 3 weeks, and his last reply before bailing (again) was to insult a client's idea publicly.
Also notice how he also refuses to acknowledge all those posting in this thread about the hundreds of dollars he's stolen from them.
Even at the beginning of this thread only a huge risk taker would even waste a breath with this scumbag with a history of apologizing but still not doing shit. At this point hiring him would make you a retard, not a simple risk taker. Why the fuck is he still allowed to promote his "business" here?
Just wanted to chime in.
Tyler is a straight up dick. You know, it's one thing to tell me a week later that my idea is garbage (which it wasn't, since i found a great designer that actually designed my idea for me), but then I gave him another idea - no existing site. Spent about an hour talking to him about what I wanted - never got back to me.
What a fucking dipshit. No respect to his clients, nor his prospective clients.
Tyler is a straight up dick. You know, it's one thing to tell me a week later that my idea is garbage (which it wasn't, since i found a great designer that actually designed my idea for me), but then I gave him another idea - no existing site. Spent about an hour talking to him about what I wanted - never got back to me.
What a fucking dipshit. No respect to his clients, nor his prospective clients.
As a vendor, it's sometimes tough keeping track of multiple project requests and sometimes you forget about people. When customers keep coming at you with IMs and all kinds of questions, older requests can be forgotten about.
I'm not defending Tyler exactly due to his history, but just saying it can be tough keeping track of everyone. I am going to get some project management software to address this problem. (So should Tyler, obviously.)
Hmm, that sounds just like you're defending him to me.
So basically, he can come on IM, ask me about my project, give me an update after 1 week, then after 3 more days, he can say that he's not working on my project? Then, I give him another project, and after 4 weeks he should just "forget" about the order because of all the questions/IMs that he got?
Seriously? Sounds like to me like bullshit.
No excuses. The thing is (IMO), is what you outlined above is normal for a business that is experiencing rapid growth. I was there not too long ago when work started to fly in the door (and am still kind of working through it). Once that started to happen and a few things slipped through the cracks, I made it top priority to streamline things, put in processes / systems to help me better manage, vetted quality outsourcers for overflow etc. This is ongoing.
Bottom line, it looks like there is a pattern here of this kind of stuff. I can completely understand having a few bumps in the road, but this looks like something that has been repeating itself again, again and again.
Not really defending him. Just giving a view from a vendor's side.
I definitely agree he was giving you bullshit, but why did you let it go on for 4+ weeks? He actually wasted a lot of his own time in IM talking with you about your projects, and not getting paid for producing them. Bad idea, Tyler, if you're reading this. If you spend your time talking to a client you try to get paid at the end.
Anyway, he's a good example case of what not to do in business.
I can't believe Tyler gets so much credit from most of you guys.. if he were from India, he'd probably be banned already.
Like I mentioned, Tyler has done several projects for us in the past. Although not perfect (timeliness), he got the job done as agreed, within terms.
Because I liked his work, we kept moving forward by adding new projects.
Initially he was working on the project perfectly, we were getting design proof's and providing feedback. Then, he simply stopped replying to any form of contact.
In the beginning we gave him space, figured he was busy with something. Then as a week passed, with no replies I started to attempt contact more.
Funny thing is that during the time we were attempting contact, he would sign in and out of AIM regularly, go away (idle) and come back normally. I even noticed that he would still be logging into Wickedfire.
It baffles me that he would even do this sort of thing, we prepaid. All Tyler needs to do is finish a couple things and send over the respective sources. Take him a couple hours, tops.
Yo, Tyler, what’s the deal?
Because I liked his work, we kept moving forward by adding new projects.
Initially he was working on the project perfectly, we were getting design proof's and providing feedback. Then, he simply stopped replying to any form of contact.
In the beginning we gave him space, figured he was busy with something. Then as a week passed, with no replies I started to attempt contact more.
Funny thing is that during the time we were attempting contact, he would sign in and out of AIM regularly, go away (idle) and come back normally. I even noticed that he would still be logging into Wickedfire.
It baffles me that he would even do this sort of thing, we prepaid. All Tyler needs to do is finish a couple things and send over the respective sources. Take him a couple hours, tops.
Yo, Tyler, what’s the deal?