UK Has Highest Violent Crime Rate in World - Great Job Gun Control
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I found the picture in a daily mail article. I have a feeling it's daily mail run.
For those of you who don't know what the daily mail is like, it's the equivalent of whatever newspaper in your country makes up tons of shit just to sell copies. The kind of people who tell you one week that baked beans give you cancer and the next they cure it. Also they are more than happy to play with statistics to sell more copies.
For those of you who don't know what the daily mail is like, it's the equivalent of whatever newspaper in your country makes up tons of shit just to sell copies. The kind of people who tell you one week that baked beans give you cancer and the next they cure it. Also they are more than happy to play with statistics to sell more copies.
Could say the same about the UK. The county my parents live in has a homicide rate of 0 per 100k in the last 6-7 years. The statistics may not be much different if they were all armed, though there may be some accidental deaths.
The UK overall had 550 homicides in 2011-2012 for 68m people or thereabouts. I think we have a mandatory 5 year minimum sentence for unlawful firearm possession.
As you say it's the socio-economic factors. I get the impression it's a lot easier in America for people with criminal intent to go and get a gun if they want to, then go and get themselves in a situation where they might have to kill someone.
In the UK your average person can't get a gun and do something stupid even in desperate circumstances. Gun crime is mostly organised crime, unorganised inner city gangs shooting eachother and the occasional nutter like Raoul Moat.
Have you ever felt like you were going to be shot at any point living here? I wouldn't disagree that we have violent crime problems, though perception is different depending on where you live.
Anyway since this thread is about gun control. I'm going to assume The Washington Post is a reliable source.
Yes, twice. I've had a gun pulled on me on two occasions. One incidence in London and a second just outside a quiet town in an attempt to steal my car. You guys also forgot the extreme lengths our state goes to keep us monitored via CCTV which is a drain on our economy.
Most of the guns that get pulled on people in the UK turn out to be air guns, replicas or plastic toys.
Was about to say "you must be from London" but no need really. If you had a gun pulled on you in a quiet town then that reallly is few and far between. The CCTV is really just in the big cities as you know. Pity they didnt have it in the small town you got a gun pulled on you, then you'd have a great case against them.
Wow the butthurt is strong in here.
Oh I read it, but as has already been pointed out that is an MFA site that mislabeled their chart because the numbers listed were total crimes, not crime rates. I think you already realize this, but in case you didn't now you do.
But you can't find a stat that shows the US having a higher violent crime rate than the UK can you?
But I think that's the point. I've never felt like I was going to be shot walking down the street here either, and I live in Metro Detroit. We have some of the most violent neighborhoods in the US within 20 miles of my house yet there has been one murder in my city in the last 4 years. 1 fucking murder, and it was a domestic issue.
Our violence in the US is extremely concentrated into a handful of very dangerous neighborhoods in cities like Detroit, Flint, Baltimore, Chicago, East St Louis, Oakland, New Orleans and a few others. To say that living in these areas would be a violent experience is correct, but most people in the US don't have to deal with it and almost never fear violence in their neighborhoods.
I wouldn't even attempt to compare the violent crime rate in Detroit to London or Glasgow because I already know what those numbers would show, but there seems to be some misconception that the US overall is a violent place and it just isn't.
I don't own a gun, so I can't go shoot myself. And I'm not saying violent crime would go down in the UK if everyone owned a weapon, but we do know that once they banned guns in the UK violent crime went up. You can draw your own conclusions from that.
Yes we have 2 million people in prison, but the other 310 million of us not in prison are far less likely to be a victim of a violent crime than the 60 million people in the UK.
So can I and so can the majority of Americans. I never worry about violent crime because it just isn't a part of everyday life and is extremely rare where I live. I think the perception of many people outside the US is shaped by our most violent cities and a handful of isolated incidences like the recent shooting.
Every jusrisdication has some differences but it goes both ways, Here in Michigan if you go out to dinner and come back to find your house was broken into that is counted as a violent crime. Verbal threats can also be counted as violent crimes.
Zero privacy and the highest violent crime rate in the world - So I guess things are going according to plan? Sounds like a blast. Well at least the food and weather make it worthwhile amirite?
No shit. And they both have lower rates of violent crime than the UK.
Anyway, my point in posting this isn't to bash the UK it's just to point out the widely held misconception that the US is so dangerous. It's not. We have a handful of very dangerous neighborhoods that most people don't have to live in and most of our murders in those cities are related to the drug trade. If we didn't have drug prohibition all we would have is the occasional crazy fucker shooting up a school/theatre mixed in with domestic murders.
Some of my favorite posters on here are Britfags so I don't mean to offend, I just want you guys to be safe.
Oh I read it, but as has already been pointed out that is an MFA site that mislabeled their chart because the numbers listed were total crimes, not crime rates. I think you already realize this, but in case you didn't now you do.
But you can't find a stat that shows the US having a higher violent crime rate than the UK can you?
But I think that's the point. I've never felt like I was going to be shot walking down the street here either, and I live in Metro Detroit. We have some of the most violent neighborhoods in the US within 20 miles of my house yet there has been one murder in my city in the last 4 years. 1 fucking murder, and it was a domestic issue.
Our violence in the US is extremely concentrated into a handful of very dangerous neighborhoods in cities like Detroit, Flint, Baltimore, Chicago, East St Louis, Oakland, New Orleans and a few others. To say that living in these areas would be a violent experience is correct, but most people in the US don't have to deal with it and almost never fear violence in their neighborhoods.
I wouldn't even attempt to compare the violent crime rate in Detroit to London or Glasgow because I already know what those numbers would show, but there seems to be some misconception that the US overall is a violent place and it just isn't.
I don't own a gun, so I can't go shoot myself. And I'm not saying violent crime would go down in the UK if everyone owned a weapon, but we do know that once they banned guns in the UK violent crime went up. You can draw your own conclusions from that.
Yes we have 2 million people in prison, but the other 310 million of us not in prison are far less likely to be a victim of a violent crime than the 60 million people in the UK.
So can I and so can the majority of Americans. I never worry about violent crime because it just isn't a part of everyday life and is extremely rare where I live. I think the perception of many people outside the US is shaped by our most violent cities and a handful of isolated incidences like the recent shooting.
Every jusrisdication has some differences but it goes both ways, Here in Michigan if you go out to dinner and come back to find your house was broken into that is counted as a violent crime. Verbal threats can also be counted as violent crimes.
Zero privacy and the highest violent crime rate in the world - So I guess things are going according to plan? Sounds like a blast. Well at least the food and weather make it worthwhile amirite?
No shit. And they both have lower rates of violent crime than the UK.
Anyway, my point in posting this isn't to bash the UK it's just to point out the widely held misconception that the US is so dangerous. It's not. We have a handful of very dangerous neighborhoods that most people don't have to live in and most of our murders in those cities are related to the drug trade. If we didn't have drug prohibition all we would have is the occasional crazy fucker shooting up a school/theatre mixed in with domestic murders.
Some of my favorite posters on here are Britfags so I don't mean to offend, I just want you guys to be safe.
Was found to be a real gun, luckily I got away (thanks to bmw's having short gear sticks). The criminal ventured up the road and managed to car jack someone 40 minutes after my event. After I rang 999 and told them of the situation and managed to flag down a police car, they still were able to walk up the road to a petrol station and car jack someone, also firing shots (never reported in the news).
Can also get the only "media coverage" of the event if you wish, a small crappy slot on a local news paper.
This entire thread belongs in the comments section of the daily mail website. That is the recommended place on the internet to jump to conclusions, generalise and argue about made-up statistics.
I can show you a lot of public CCTV coverage from my home city of Wolverhampton.
My main issue is this, you're happy for the state, police to have guns (certain sections) and criminals but you aren't happy to arm yourself?
lol at politics on wf.
I intend to spend < 2 months in the UK in 2013.
I only spent around half my time here this year.
I am not a patriot, so I have no goats in this game, to fuck or otherwise.
No Opinion Don't Care
Don't worry, that delicious Corrs Light is still on me at ASW
Our definition of "violent crime" is different to the USA.
See the following:
And in the following they give an example of what is counted:
If you spit at someone in Britain, it's counted as a "violent crime". I don't think the American stats count all these incidents as "violent".
See the following:
And in the following they give an example of what is counted:
If you spit at someone in Britain, it's counted as a "violent crime". I don't think the American stats count all these incidents as "violent".
lol at politics on wf.
I intend to spend < 2 months in the UK in 2013.
I only spent around half my time here this year.
I am not a patriot, so I have no goats in this game, to fuck or otherwise.
No Opinion Don't Care
Don't worry, that delicious Corrs Light is still on me at ASW
And with only spending < 2 months in the UK mattseh is still responsible for >95% of said violent crime. You people just don't know who you're fucking with. What do you think he will be doing with the other 10+ months out of the year?
This is 100% true.
No, I mean it... it's not a made up stat - it actually is fucking true!*
*100% in real term figures 2013 = 98% depending on age, earnings and political alignment.
I think its pretty obvious i realised that, judging by what i said in my comment.
Oh come on.. seriously? Hint: Search the first 10 results in google for whatever sensible keyphrase you choose.
I'd like to see your sources on that. Cant say i agree, because guns have never been used as a weapon of defence in the UK, so i'm struggling to see what your point is there. Guns were banned and crime went up? No-one had guns anyway, apart from bank robbers.
And for a second dont you think that this is the case all over the world?. I certainly share the thought that i dont think i live in a particularly violent place. However outside perceptions may portray it to be.
You see the irony here?
Same goes for the UK.
You love to generalise when it suits you, yet you use the exact same arguments in your own defense.
Zero privacy? There aint no CCTV cameras in my town. But of course, the media says they're everywhere, so they must be?, amarite?. Just like there aint no violent crime where you live in Detroit.......
..... Generalisation is great, but you need to learn to sit on one side of the fence if you're going to argue from it.
As long as you discount the plethora of corpses Juarez produces every year, you're probably right. But thats assuming we dont include "murder" as a violent crime.
You're effectively trying to imply that it's safer to live in Juarez Mexico than it is anywhere in the UK?, whether you're trying to imply it or not, by relying on skewed stats it seems that is what you're saying.
Can't say i'll be moving to Juarez anytime soon.
It's the same everywhere man, you've just named the UK as a comparison to the US to justify your position, but it's a comparison that really doesnt work, You can't try and break a misconception (eg: the US is inherently violent) by spouting the exact same misconceptions about another country. You're just spreading the hate you're trying to defend.
A better way of putting it would be, whereever there is a higher concentration of people, the chances and occasions of violence and crime rates will rise, regardless of how effective governments and media are at reporting it.
Is The Telegraph a legit paper?
UK is violent crime capital of Europe - Telegraph
"The total number of violent offences recorded compared to population is higher than any other country in Europe, as well as America, Canada, Australia and South Africa."
"The figures were sourced from Eurostat, the European Commission's database of statistics. They are gathered using official sources in the countries concerned such as the national statistics office, the national prison administration, ministries of the interior or justice, and police. A breakdown of the statistics, which were compiled into league tables by the Conservatives, revealed that violent crime in the UK had increased from 652,974 offences in 1998 to more than 1.15 million crimes in 2007.
It means there are over 2,000 crimes recorded per 100,000 population in the UK, making it the most violent place in Europe.
Austria is second, with a rate of 1,677 per 100,000 people, followed by Sweden, Belgium, Finland and Holland.
By comparison, America has an estimated rate of 466 violent crimes per 100,000 population."
"But last October it emerged that levels of violent crime in England and Wales had been underestimated for more than a decade because of a blunder in recording methods. Ministers admitted that some police forces had not been recording offences of grievous bodily harm with intent as serious violent crime. When the offences were included violent crime figures immediately increased by a fifth."
UK is violent crime capital of Europe - Telegraph
"The total number of violent offences recorded compared to population is higher than any other country in Europe, as well as America, Canada, Australia and South Africa."
"The figures were sourced from Eurostat, the European Commission's database of statistics. They are gathered using official sources in the countries concerned such as the national statistics office, the national prison administration, ministries of the interior or justice, and police. A breakdown of the statistics, which were compiled into league tables by the Conservatives, revealed that violent crime in the UK had increased from 652,974 offences in 1998 to more than 1.15 million crimes in 2007.
It means there are over 2,000 crimes recorded per 100,000 population in the UK, making it the most violent place in Europe.
Austria is second, with a rate of 1,677 per 100,000 people, followed by Sweden, Belgium, Finland and Holland.
By comparison, America has an estimated rate of 466 violent crimes per 100,000 population."
"But last October it emerged that levels of violent crime in England and Wales had been underestimated for more than a decade because of a blunder in recording methods. Ministers admitted that some police forces had not been recording offences of grievous bodily harm with intent as serious violent crime. When the offences were included violent crime figures immediately increased by a fifth."