UK Has Highest Violent Crime Rate in World - Great Job Gun Control



scottspfd82 said:
These were both great reads.
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The article linked by VinBed was definitely interesting. I learned a few things.

Meanwhile, a story from the Atlantic Wire demonstrates the futility of gun regulation. I'm going to reprint the entire thing below since it's short.

It looks like America won't be taking a break from mass shootings this holiday season. At around 6 a.m. on Christmas Eve, a gunman shot four firefighters trying to put out a house fire in Webster, New York. Reports from the scene say that the fire department arrived at the house fire, where William Spengler opened fire on them. Spengler, a 62-year-old felon* who spent 17 years in jail for beating his grandmother to death in the 1980s, is believed to have started the fire as a trap to lure in the firefighters.

Webster Police confirmed that four firefighters were hit, two of them fatally. The other two have been taken to a nearby hospital, where they are in guarded condition. A third off-duty police officer was injured by shrapnel. Meanwhile, police found Spengler dead at the scene of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. Spengler's sister, with whom he shared a house, is unaccounted for.

Sadly, the firefighters were unable to do their jobs with someone shooting at them, so the fire that started with one home has now spread to four. By the afternoon, Webster Police Chief Gerald Pickering said that the fire was under control. Ultimately, the fire consumed the seven homes and one car, while the shooting left two firefighters dead on Christmas Eve. "These people get up the middle of the night to fight fires," said Pickering. "They don't expect to be shot and killed."

* - It's illegal for felons to possess weapons.
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A sad story to be sure. And one incident certainly does not make a case for the ineffectiveness of gun regulation. But it should make folks wonder why they imagine passing more laws would help.

I can have a firearm in my hands tonight for less than $100 to commit Christmas mayhem if I wanted to do so. My background doesn't matter.

And Scott, Merry Christmas. :)
 
Unarmed Gunman said:
None of us understand that shit. Probably the best thing about growing up in Detroit was driving across the bridge to Windsor to get drunk at 19.
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I concur, as someone that grew up on Telegraph and six. Alcohol is not necessarily the problem, its the mentality or predisposition of the person that drinks. Look at our industry, how many of us would be considered, by conservative standards, to be "heavy social drinkers" (or even consistent drinkers - I typically have a shot or two before 11a EST or noon at the latest; it is what it is).
 
scottspfd82 said:
Our Government would never do that.

Demand A Plan to End Gun Violence - YouTube

Oh wait.

I used to like a few of those actors. I'm not going to be able to stand any of these people again knowing they've put this bullshit propaganda together in an effort to take away people's natural right to defend themselves.
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Such shitidiots. About 3500 people drown a year. We need a plan! Demand one! Outlaw water, pools, the ocean, ponds and puddles!


CDC - Water-Related Injuries Facts - Home and Recreational Safety - Injury Center
 
With homicide by firearm affecting nearly 0.00412% of the US population, the time has clearly come for us to take aggressive legislative action before this thing doubles in size and effects 0.00824% of the population.


13k homicides by firearm
315,000,000 people

enough is enough.
 
IceToEskimos said:
With homicide by firearm affecting nearly 0.00412% of the US population, the time has clearly come for us to take aggressive legislative action before this thing doubles in size and effects 0.00824% of the population.


13k homicides by firearm
315,000,000 people

enough is enough.
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1 gun homicide a year is too many, why can't we all just live together and be happy?

I'll tell you why.

Because cannabis is illegal.

If cannabis possession all around the US was legal, then everyone would be chilled as fuck, and shooting no one.
 
mituozo said:
1 gun homicide a year is too many, why can't we all just live together and be happy?

I'll tell you why.

Because cannabis is illegal.

If cannabis possession all around the US was legal, then everyone would be chilled as fuck, and shooting no one.
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Yes, I agree. South Central Los Angeles is a view of the future, where everyone is stoned all of the time, and nobody ever gets shot.
 
34 people have died this year because of lightning in the US, and 262 of them were because they were waving around an assault rifle when the sky was really dark during daylight hours.
 
drave said:
34 people have died this year because of lightning in the US, and 262 of them were because they were waving around an assault rifle when the sky was really dark during daylight hours.
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Deaths from lightening are 100% preventable.

Legislation for mandatory carbon-fiber rifle barrels incoming.
 
scottspfd82 said:
I used to like a few of those actors. I'm not going to be able to stand any of these people again knowing they've put this bullshit propaganda together in an effort to take away people's natural right to defend themselves.
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Well, I imagine they mostly mean well and were contacted right after a school shooting. If Beyonce, for example, was completely against gun ownership in a black or white way then she probably wouldn't have held a gun in a music video or have married Jay Z.

Rapper Jay-Z Arrested for Gun Possession - ABC News

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It's like the celebrities who do ads for PETA. They agree with the general idea of "treating animals ethically", but at the same time might not even know what PETA's actual positions are. They should research the organization before agreeing, but even if they did, some of them probably still would just for the attention or whatever.

Khloe Kardashian would be one example. She eats meat and fur is sold in the boutique stores that she co-owns.
 
anyone who gives one shit what celebrities say is pretty softheaded anyway. who but 13 year old girls (or people of their mental caliber) get their philosophies from beyonce? or sean penn? or bruce springsteen?

there is a reason people join that political party. there's a reason most of the DNC speakers were actress bimbos. there is a reason logic doesn't phase them.

its people magazine v the wall street journal.
 
pixelo said:
BBC iPlayer - Letter from America by Alistair Cooke: America's problem with gun ownership

Great podcast from 1993 around the time of the Brady act in the states re: gun control etc. etc.
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I listened to it.

First of all, the constitution was designed to restrain government power (and has failed miserably).

My natural right to self-defense isn't granted by the constitution. Many gun owners cling to the 2nd amendment. I don't. I was born with the right to defend my life and the lives of my loved ones. No government grants me that right. They may try to take it away - but that right does not come from them.

I highly recommend reading the link that Jake posted.

Here's the thing. If you don't like guns I'm not going to initiate violence to change your mind. You don't want one, don't own one, that's fine with me.

I've been in situations where I've been forced to use a gun to deter violence. Without the gun I'd probably be dead. This has happened both at home and abroad.

So how about this... I'll keep my guns. You won't even know they exist, even if you live next door to me. I will never use them to initiate force against you. In return, don't attempt to use force or violence against me to relinquish my right to defend myself and my loved ones.

Because by doing so, you're initiating violence against me. And you're telling me, at gun point (via the government) that I no longer have the right to defend my life.

Governments don't grant rights, they simply attempt to take away the ones that you're born with. And the right to self-preservation is a pretty fucking big deal to me.

How did the assault weapons ban help with crime?

Why do mass shootings always happen in "gun free" zones?

Why is gun violence overwhelmingly concentrated in states and cities with the most stringent gun laws?

How come the media never reports on the MILLIONS of murders, rapes and robberies that private citizens with guns prevent every year?

Why do cartels in Mexico commit gun murder on a mass scale when guns there are illegal?

Why the hell would I trust a Government who's murdered more people than anyone over the last 50 years... Who's hell-bent on constantly adding to the largest per-capita prison population on the planet... Who has ZERO legal obligation to protect me to defend me when I can do it myself - especially when it's my personal responsibility to do so?

Why would I trust police to protect my family when it's a PROVEN FACT that 11% of police shootings kill an innocent person - about 2% of shootings by citizens kill an innocent person.

Laws and legislation do NOT prevent violence. If that were the case prisons would be peaceful utopias.

The world is a violent place. It's your choice if you want to take on the responsibility of defending yourself. When it comes to my self-defense, you have no say in the matter.

It'd be awesome if that wasn't the case. But it's the reality.

JakeStratham said:
And Scott, Merry Christmas. :)
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Merry Christmas Jake!
 
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Incantation said:
Can see the argument from both sides, but...

This guy got 15 yrs for this. The only way she could have protected her life would have been with a gun.

Slash horror gran feared brute would kill her | The Sun |News|Scottish News
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Yeah, he gets 15 years for beating an old lady with a bat, carving up her face with a machete and leaving her for dead.

Had she had a gun to defend herself and killed him, she'd be looking at 30 years minimum...

Causing the death of someone with a gun carries a life sentence and you will serve a mandatory 30-year prison sentence.(UK Law).
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So fucking wrong. Appreciate the link.
 
scottspfd82 said:
Yeah, he gets 15 years for beating an old lady with a bat, carving up her face with a machete and leaving her for dead.

Had she had a gun to defend herself and killed him, she'd be looking at 30 years minimum...



So fucking wrong. Appreciate the link.
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Yep, it's messed up big time.

This is probably the best option here atm.:)

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Incantation said:
Yep, it's messed up big time.

This is probably the best option here atm.:)

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I love dogs.

But, they're easily poisoned or shot. They're great alarm systems. But if a criminal wants to get by them it's not difficult.

I've owned dogs my entire life. They're awesome. But for defense purposes, the bat or machete from the story above most likely could have easily neutralized any threat they posed to the attackers.
 
After seeing and posting the video in thread #119 I was thinking it's perfect fodder for a parody. Luckily more talented people have beat me to it.

"Demand Celebrities Go Fuck Themselves".
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OayyLQi6vE"]Demand A Plan? Demand Celebrities Go F*ck Themselves. - YouTube[/ame]

"Celebs Call To Ban Guns From Government".

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJhWVf4e4-s"]Celebrities Call to Ban Guns From Government - YouTube[/ame]
Okay. Enough posting in this thread for me, it's Christmas, time to be thankful and enjoy life. I hope you guys do the same.
 
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