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Do you really think there can be peace with a people who's ideology demands your death

Well, we somehow managed it for centuries before, so yeah, I think we can probably figure out how to co-exist together in peace without having to obliterate a third of world. But hey, call me crazy...

And if you're scared of ISIS, just wait until Iran gets invaded. That's going to be like an army of highly intelligent and skilled Timothy McVeighs coming after us, and they're going to be able to cause some real damage. Mohammed with a meat cleaver will no longer be a worry.
 


Well, we somehow managed it for centuries before, so yeah, I think we can probably figure out how to co-exist together in peace without having to obliterate a third of world. But hey, call me crazy...

Dude, I like to think you're a smart guy, but shit like this really makes me wonder.

Islam and war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here, have some more...

TheReligionofPeace.com - List of Islamic Terror Attacks for 2014

"164 Jihad Verses in the Koran -- Passages in the Quran about Islamic Holy War" compiled by Yoel Natan

I think credit is due to someone else here for posting those, but they are worth posting again.
 
Dude, I like to think you're a smart guy, but shit like this really makes me wonder.

Islam and war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Again, what's your solution? A few thousand more Tomahawk cruise missiles, and we'll be good to go for peace? Maybe send 100,000 soldiers out there, which is probably what's going to eventually happen. Then we'll have peace, or what?

You do realize this entire "war on terror" mess, officially, is because a group Saudi Arabians hijacked a few planes with some box cutters over 13 years ago, right? For some reason we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq due to it, but if you think about it, we really should have invaded Saudi Arabia instead, so I'm not sure what that was about.

Yes, the Muslims in the Middle East don't like us Westerners very much any more. That's not due to religion. That's due to us dropping 500lbs bombs on their houses. It tends to piss people off, and send them into a murderous rage. Then when they try fighting back, we get more pissed off, and feed them more Tomahawk cruise missiles. Do you have any idea of how retarded this is?

Like it or not, we're the Germans in WWII who sat idly by while the Jews got gassed. Agree with me or not, but that's the reality, and that's what the history books in 50 years from now are going to say.
 
Again, what's your solution?

You're the one that started the thread bud. Plus, the same question was put in your lap some time ago. You also never did quantify "standing up". WTF does that even mean? Answer the questions.

You do realize this entire "war on terror" mess, officially, is because a group Saudi Arabians hijacked a few planes with some box cutters over 13 years ago, right? For some reason we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq due to it, but if you think about it, we really should have invaded Saudi Arabia instead, so I'm not sure what that was about.

Yes, the Muslims in the Middle East don't like us Westerners very much any more. That's not due to religion. That's due to us dropping 500lbs bombs on their houses. It tends to piss people off, and send them into a murderous rage. Then when they try fighting back, we get more pissed off, and feed them more Tomahawk cruise missiles. Do you have any idea of how retarded this is?

Like it or not, we're the Germans in WWII who sat idly by while the Jews got gassed. Agree with me or not, but that's the reality, and that's what the history books in 50 years from now are going to say.

You don't realize this entire "war on terror" mess officially started about 1500 years ago and has been going on ever since. The media just happened to recently give it a catchy name.

You're seriously going to sit there and compare us to Nazis? We've got a few million more to go man.
 
You're seriously going to sit there and compare us to Nazis? We've got a few million more to go man.

Ummm, yep. Think I'm being ridiculous? Scroll up and read your comments against Muslims. Then put your empathy hat on, and transport yourself back in 1938 Germany. How do you think a lot of the Germans talked about Jews? I bet it sounded a whole lot like how you're currently talking about Muslims.

Hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians have already been killed, and there's millions more in the pipeline. How do you think history is going to treat this? We're the saviours of freedom and democracy? Not fucken likely.

Come on, there's 1.6 billion Muslims out there (or 23% of the world's population). If they were all murderous savages who believed it's their religious duty to kill the white infidels, then they could probably do a much better job than they currently are.
 
As a non-US taxpayer, where do I donate to nuke these faggots?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IpZmXIMhuk"]The Exploited - Blown to Bits - YouTube[/ame]
 
Ummm, yep. Think I'm being ridiculous? Scroll up and read your comments against Muslims. Then put your empathy hat on, and transport yourself back in 1938 Germany. How do you think a lot of the Germans talked about Jews? I bet it sounded a whole lot like how you're currently talking about Muslims.

Hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians have already been killed, and there's millions more in the pipeline. How do you think history is going to treat this? We're the saviours of freedom and democracy? Not fucken likely.

Come on, there's 1.6 billion Muslims out there (or 23% of the world's population). If they were all murderous savages who believed it's their religious duty to kill the white infidels, then they could probably do a much better job than they currently are.

Can u please explain to me why do your friendly Muslim terrorists, which u claim hate the west because they were bombed by it, are focusing on this:
ISIS jihadists offer Islamic justification for taking thousands of Yazidi women as sex slaves | National Post
 
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQSwGBkGb6o"]ISIS Shows John Cantlie in Kobani - John Cantlie is used as a News Reporter - Propaganda Video - YouTube[/ame]


ISIS (Jihad John) Propaganda video?
 
So that's justification for obliterating multiple countries in the MIddle East?

Don't be dumb.

I think u need to wake up - those countries are already obliterated
Iraq- Gone.
Syria - Gone
Lebanon - Gone

But the reason ive posted the link is to explain that the other nations who didnt throw 500lbs bombs still getting zapped by ISIS
 
You don't realize this entire "war on terror" mess officially started about 1500 years ago and has been going on ever since. The media just happened to recently give it a catchy name.

The phrase "War on Terror" was first used by U.S. President George W. Bush on 20 September 2001.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Terror



Concepts like "Mujahideen" do go back about 1500 years, but just as recently as the 1980s, the US government was defining the Afghanistan version as "freedom fighters", not terrorists.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BH3KOrD09U"]Ronald Reagan - Dedication to the Freedom Fighters in Afghanistan! - YouTube[/ame]


Reagan_sitting_with_people_from_the_Afghanistan-Pakistan_region_in_February_1983.jpg




Forward to more current times :

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/02/obama-to-arm-syrian-rebels.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...rebels-describe-u-s-backed-training-in-qatar/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...ghting-us-now-we-just-finished-training-them/


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ind7LOqeqF8"]United States Arming the Islamic State Frontline Documentry - YouTube[/ame]


http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/06/isis-saudi-arabia-iraq-syria-bandar/373181/

“Thank God for the Saudis and Prince Bandar,” John McCain told CNN..

As one senior Qatari official stated, “ISIS has been a Saudi project.”



http://benswann.com/vice-presidents...-admits-there-is-no-moderate-middle-in-syria/

"At Harvard, Biden continued by explaining how fighting Assad became their focus: ““What did they do? They poured hundreds of millions of dollars and thousands of tons of weapons into anyone who would fight against Assad — except that the people who were being supplied were al-Nusra and al-Qaida and the extremist elements of jihadis coming from other parts of the world"..

..WAM reported that Biden had since apologized."
 
Ummm, yep. Think I'm being ridiculous? Scroll up and read your comments against Muslims. Then put your empathy hat on, and transport yourself back in 1938 Germany. How do you think a lot of the Germans talked about Jews? I bet it sounded a whole lot like how you're currently talking about Muslims.

Ah ah ah, don't twist my words bitch. I didn't say all Muslims, but we'll get to that more later. That being said, I don't have any empathy for people that want to see me and my loved ones dead.

Hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians have already been killed, and there's millions more in the pipeline. How do you think history is going to treat this? We're the saviours of freedom and democracy? Not fucken likely.

You do know that the majority of those innocent people killed in Iraq have been killed in tribal violence right? Every day there are car bombings and roadside executions that are entirely Shiite vs Sunni vs whoever, and which don't involve any coalition forces, and with ISIS involved, those numbers have only escalated.

Certainly there have been many deaths from western bombings, trigger happy soldiers and contractors, and years of sanctions, and that's not right.

Come on, there's 1.6 billion Muslims out there (or 23% of the world's population). If they were all murderous savages who believed it's their religious duty to kill the white infidels, then they could probably do a much better job than they currently are.

And what team do you think they side with? They might call themselves moderates and non-violent, but when push comes to shove you can bet the majority will back their own team. Nevertheless, even if radicalization is a meager 1/10th of 1% (I'm being hugely conservative here), that's still a shit ton of people that wish you dead.

Now quit cherry picking the posts and answer my question!
 
The phrase "War on Terror" was first used by U.S. President George W. Bush on 20 September 2001.

War on Terror - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes Bush coined the phrase, but look at your wiki link and you'll see the media mentioned immediately after that sentence. The phrase wouldn't be well known if they hadn't adopted it and used it relentlessly every day since then.

Concepts like "Mujahideen" do go back about 1500 years, but just as recently as the 1980s, the US government was defining the Afghanistan version as "freedom fighters", not terrorists.

Ronald Reagan - Dedication to the Freedom Fighters in Afghanistan! - YouTube

Reagan_sitting_with_people_from_the_Afghanistan-Pakistan_region_in_February_1983.jpg


Forward to more current times :

McCain: Obama to Send New Arms to Syrian Rebels - The Daily Beast
Syrian Rebels Describe U.S.-Backed Training in Qatar | Syria at War | FRONTLINE | PBS
http://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...ghting-us-now-we-just-finished-training-them/

United States Arming the Islamic State Frontline Documentry - YouTube

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/06/isis-saudi-arabia-iraq-syria-bandar/373181/

“Thank God for the Saudis and Prince Bandar,” John McCain told CNN..

As one senior Qatari official stated, “ISIS has been a Saudi project.”


http://benswann.com/vice-presidents...-admits-there-is-no-moderate-middle-in-syria/

"At Harvard, Biden continued by explaining how fighting Assad became their focus: ““What did they do? They poured hundreds of millions of dollars and thousands of tons of weapons into anyone who would fight against Assad — except that the people who were being supplied were al-Nusra and al-Qaida and the extremist elements of jihadis coming from other parts of the world"..

..WAM reported that Biden had since apologized."

What's your point exactly? Political and military alliances have been made and broken since the beginning of time and will continue to do so.
 
Ah ah ah, don't twist my words bitch.

They're your words, sexy man. Don't blame me for them.


You do know that the majority of those innocent people killed in Iraq have been killed in tribal violence right?

Huh??? Tribal violence, eh? Had nothing to do with the thousands of missiles, or the 120,000 soldiers that invaded? It was due to tribal violence?

Look dude, I understand it's not easy for us to look in the mirror and realize we're on the wrong side of history, but that's the reality. You can either accept it, or ignore it and blame the evil Muslims. Take your pick. However, this war isn't ending until people like you grow up, and accept what's happening.

And what team do you think they side with?

Humanity.
 
Did Kiopa_Matt and Lukep's accounts get merged together or something? :laughing-smiley-007



What's your point exactly? Political and military alliances have been made and broken since the beginning of time and will continue to do so.

If fighting and preventing terrorism and/or radical Islam was the main or only goal (not that you said it was), then we would think that supporting certain groups would not be an option for those so opposed to terrorism.

Both Russia and USA say they are committed to fighting terror. By referring to "1500 years", I assume you are talking about the age of Islam, thereby linking Russia and USA's "war on terror" with a war on Islam/radical Islam.

The governments of both Iran and Saudi Arabia have been accused of state-sponsored terrorism. Therefore, one might assume that Russia and USA would be allied against Iran and Saudi Arabia, who would also be allies.

Instead, Iran and Saudi Arabia are enemies, Russia is allied with Iran, and USA is allied with Saudi Arabia.

Russia and USA could form a super alliance to take on radical Islam, but for whatever reason, that has not happened.
 
They're your words, sexy man. Don't blame me for them.

Please quote the part where I said "all Muslims".

Huh??? Tribal violence, eh? Had nothing to do with the thousands of missiles, or the 120,000 soldiers that invaded? It was due to tribal violence?

The majority of those missiles were aimed at military targets and those 120,000 soldiers weren't all executing innocents at the side of the road. Of course there were civilian casualties, war crimes committed, and I've already stated my disdain for such things.

Meanwhile, every day there are market car bombings, sometimes several a day, and roadside executions between the warring factions in Iraq. This has been going on since the invasion and has only escalated with less and less coalition presence. Every day those in the Green Zone hear explosions out in the city, and no Americans are involved. It's all Iraqi on Iraqi violence.

Look dude, I understand it's not easy for us to look in the mirror and realize we're on the wrong side of history, but that's the reality. You can either accept it, or ignore it and blame the evil Muslims. Take your pick. However, this war isn't ending until people like you grow up, and accept what's happening.

Wrong side of a history that's been evolving for 1500 years man? It's been back and forth on both sides through the centuries. Go read the links I sent you and educate yourself and quit being so god damned delusional. Make a point of reading this one TheReligionofPeace.com - List of Islamic Terror Attacks for 2014 and ask yourself if these really are a people seeking peace.

TLDR?

That's 22,560 people killed, 20,368 people injured in 2,182 terror attacks in 2014 alone, and we've got a couple months to go. 22,212 attacks since 9/11... I could add up all the deaths for each of the 13 years since then for you so you can more easily comprehend what I'm saying, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to extrapolate the numbers over that time to realize it's a shit load of dead people killed by... wait for it... MUSLIMS!

FYI, 90 of those attacks have happened in Thailand this year alone. How many of those were influenced by a US military presence, US bombing and civilian casualties cause by US forces? Be honest now.

You're the one that needs to grow up, or at least wake up. They don't want to be your buddy, they don't want to be your friend, they want to cut off your head. Remember, a lot of the people fighting in these places came from all over the world, including at least 100 from each of the US and Canada. These are people that weren't ever bombed or invaded. They grew up in, and were educated in, the West. Along with the tens of thousands that have come from other places that were also never bombed or invaded, they chose to follow a warped ideology, and they went off to fight their Jihad in these foreign lands.

Humanity.

LoL. I seriously doubt it. Tribal people protect the tribe.
 
Both Russia and USA say they are committed to fighting terror. By referring to "1500 years", I assume you are talking about the age of Islam, thereby linking Russia and USA's "war on terror" with a war on Islam/radical Islam.

My point was that if you look back over the 1500 years of Islamic history, these are a people that have been at war for pretty much their entire existence. Either doing the invading or being invaded, they have never been a people at peace for any significant length of time. Sure, we might be able to broker some peace, maybe we can live in peace for the rest of our lives, but I don't believe it will last.

The governments of both Iran and Saudi Arabia have been accused of state-sponsored terrorism. Therefore, one might assume that Russia and USA would be allied against Iran and Saudi Arabia, who would also be allies.

Instead, Iran and Saudi Arabia are enemies, Russia is allied with Iran, and USA is allied with Saudi Arabia.

Russia and USA could form a super alliance to take on radical Islam, but for whatever reason, that has not happened.

Politicians are gonna politic. Everyone has their own agendas and nothing we do is going to change that. Matt came in here starting this BS thread about how we need to "stand up", but still hasn't quantified what that means exactly. It akin to Lukep saying he's going to end slavery in the Thai fishing industry. It's delusional.
 
My point was that if you look back over the 1500 years of Islamic history, these are a people that have been at war for pretty much their entire existence. Either doing the invading or being invaded, they have never been a people at peace for any significant length of time.

Has any major group, though?


List of conflicts in Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Timeline of United States military operations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

List of wars involving India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

List of conflicts in Asia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Africa and South America haven't exactly been hotbeds of peace, either; and Africa is 40% Christian and South America is 90%.


Terrorism in Latin America: Infographic

"In the 1980s and 1990s, Latin America was the epicenter of global terrorism. In the first of those two decades, the region experienced more terrorist attacks (17,293) than all other regions combined (13,643), and nearly four times as many as the next most active region—Western Europe (4,729)."
 
Has any major group, though?

List of conflicts in Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Timeline of United States military operations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

List of wars involving India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

List of conflicts in Asia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Africa and South America haven't exactly been hotbeds of peace, either; and Africa is 40% Christian and South America is 90%.

Terrorism in Latin America: Infographic

"In the 1980s and 1990s, Latin America was the epicenter of global terrorism. In the first of those two decades, the region experienced more terrorist attacks (17,293) than all other regions combined (13,643), and nearly four times as many as the next most active region—Western Europe (4,729)."

Exactly. That's "humanity" for you.