US are cowardly racists.

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Skippy McGee said:
Ben Folds had it right, "You don't know what it's like being male, middle-class, and white."
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I'm male, middle-class and white, but thank fucking god I'm self employed over the internet...

Otherwise anymore, I'd have to actually pay my way through college while a black kid gets it for free..

Then once I'm done, I'll lose out on a position I deserve more to a black guy because of the color of his skin and that particular company needs to "diversify".

Fuck that shit, I hear it all the time. White middle-class males have been the minorities for quite awhile.
 


dreamache said:
I'm male, middle-class and white, but thank fucking god I'm self employed over the internet...

Otherwise anymore, I'd have to actually pay my way through college while a black kid gets it for free..

Then once I'm done, I'll lose out on a position I deserve more to a black guy because of the color of his skin and that particular company needs to "diversify".

Fuck that shit, I hear it all the time. White middle-class males have been the minorities for quite awhile.
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QFT! We have the same problems in India too -- with High-Caste and Low-Caste Shit. I had troubles getting into one of the colleges since I come from a very high-caste whereas a low-caste dude with less than half the grades as me got in. Oh well...
 
dreamache said:
I'm male, middle-class and white, but thank fucking god I'm self employed over the internet...

Otherwise anymore, I'd have to actually pay my way through college while a black kid gets it for free..

Then once I'm done, I'll lose out on a position I deserve more to a black guy because of the color of his skin and that particular company needs to "diversify".

Fuck that shit, I hear it all the time. White middle-class males have been the minorities for quite awhile.
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Amen.
 
I've never heard of a white individual getting a scholarship because of the color of their skin. I had to write a million different essays to obtain a $500 scholarship, I certainly did not get a full ride scholarship and when I graduated I had a 4.2 GPA. During high school, the black kids were more racist than the white kids. You know how many times I've been called a cracker - If I was referring to them using a derogatory word (no need to state it right?) I would have probably got jumped by fifty of them. And yes - they really do need to get the fuck over it. I'm Apache Indian and the white men slaughtered them, and I don't whine about it.
 
Janaic said:
You know how many times I've been called a cracker - If I was referring to them using a derogatory word (no need to state it right?) I would have probably got jumped by fifty of them.
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Nigger.

The word is "nigger". It's a lazy-english bastardization of the word "negro" which is spanish for "black".

That right there is what I'm talking about when I say we are intellectually dishonest.

50cent and SnoopDogg can say nigger all day long but god forbid a non-black person should say it, it becomes front-page news and apologies must be issued.

BULLSHIT.

Either its a bad word and no one gets to use it, or its ok and we all get over our nigger selves.
 
All this talk about college admission sissue is so fucking unaware. I sat on the board of one of the most prestigious colleges we have in the USA as a young a alumni and let me break something.....

ALL THIS TALK ABOUT "MINORITIES GETTING UNFAIR TREATMENT".

NEWS FUCKING FLASH!!

The person who's taking your place that doesn't deserve it is NOT the minority.
THE WORST KIND OF AFFIRMATIVE ACTION IS CLASS AFFIRMATIVE ACTION it's called the "legacy system".

In other words, people being admitted because of whom their parents are, their uncles, etc. Do you know that form of affirmative action is 5x larger than any kind of minority based system?!

Just because it's not codified in LAW does not mean it's not a defacto law.

Are you just as mad at the inner city minority as you are at the popped collar wearing, polo-playing, lacoste sporting preppy who's a lazy fuck, didn't study worth shit and probably had a poor, smart white kid write his admission essays over the internet?


NO

It's alot easier to blame those minorities. If you are a middle class white male from a modest background I suggest you get mad at those kinds of people who take 5x times as many "affirmative action" places as the minorities.

Please go have a look at the admissions make up of top schools. Compare:

Affirmative action admits to legacy admits....

You will see what I am talking about.....
 
riddarhusetgal said:
All this talk about college admission sissue is so fucking unaware. I sat on the board of one of the most prestigious colleges we have in the USA as a young a alumni and let me break something.....

ALL THIS TALK ABOUT "MINORITIES GETTING UNFAIR TREATMENT".

NEWS FUCKING FLASH!!

The person who's taking your place that doesn't deserve it is NOT the minority.
THE WORST KIND OF AFFIRMATIVE ACTION IS CLASS AFFIRMATIVE ACTION it's called the "legacy system".

In other words, people being admitted because of whom their parents are, their uncles, etc. Do you know that form of affirmative action is 5x larger than any kind of minority based system?!

Just because it's not codified in LAW does not mean it's not a defacto law.

Are you just as mad at the inner city minority as you are at the popped collar wearing, polo-playing, lacoste sporting preppy who's a lazy fuck, didn't study worth shit and probably had a poor, smart white kid write his admission essays over the internet?


NO

It's alot easier to blame those minorities. If you are a middle class white male from a modest background I suggest you get mad at those kinds of people who take 5x times as many "affirmative action" places as the minorities.

Please go have a look at the admissions make up of top schools. Compare:

Affirmative action admits to legacy admits....

You will see what I am talking about.....
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Actually I'm just as every bit of disgusted by "legacy admits" as I am by affirmative action admits. It's ALL fucking bullshit.

But personally, my family and my wife's family, have been effected more by affirmative action. My wife's father was next in line to receive a higher position at GM 10 yrs ago, thanks to clinton and affirmative action, they needed to diversify and a black guy got the position. For 9 years he had to practically do everything for him, never motivated to work or learn. fortunately he just retired.

My wife earned a 4.0 GPA all throughout college and HS, didn't get shit, never one scholarship. She grew up in a black neighborhood, meanwhile knew several black people who got a hell of a lot more help than she did, which was 0.

And you can't use the excuse that because "legacy admits" exist, that it's OK to use affirmative action to give scholarships and enroll people because of their skin color.

In the end, it should be purely about performance. And this should be even more true than ever with Barack Obama being president. He's black, he did it, others can too. No more excuses. No more "The man is holding me down."
 
riddarhusetgal said:
THE WORST KIND OF AFFIRMATIVE ACTION IS CLASS AFFIRMATIVE ACTION it's called the "legacy system".

In other words, people being admitted because of whom their parents are, their uncles, etc. Do you know that form of affirmative action is 5x larger than any kind of minority based system?!
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Hey nubsauce, if you sat on the "board" as a "young alumnus" why can't you type correctly?

Anyways, it's actually not the worst type of affirmative action, if you can even call it that, because it helps assure the schools of appropriate external funding and hence, increased longevity. Do you think all these rich people would still donate if their kids didn't get in? It's basically your former school spitting in your face, then turning around with its hands out asking for $. Also, most colleges only count your parents. "Uncles, etc." don't count. Along those same lines, do you think parents of kids from poor socioeconomic backgrounds help fund these colleges? Nope. Might they graduate, become successful and donate, yes - then might their kids receive legacy & affirmative action treatment? Maybe.

And for the record, it's not 5x larger than any kind of minority based system. At the most prestigious colleges, legacy admission rates tend to be 2-3x the standard admission rate. Does anyone have any figures on minority admission rates? They are probably pretty close, if not higher than legacy rates because the number of minority applicants generally tends to be much lower.

Keep in mind that children of alumni get flat out rejected too. If they accepted every legacy, there would be no room in an incoming class for anyone else.
 
Isostar13 said:
Hey nubsauce, if you sat on the "board" as a "young alumnus" why can't you type correctly?
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Yippie!!!! You've managed to conquer 1 of the approx. 550,000 words in the modern English language! Your point is Q.E.D. If internet marketing doesn't work out you'll have a great career as a cantab tutor......lol for real


Moving on....


The point that I was making concerns class. I personally know that there are opportunities that have come my way because of my family background that has nothing to do with "merit" and it's not right (even if I could have taken advantage of it)...

Class issues are alive and well in America. It's a lot easier to blame minorities when in actuality for every job that an undeserving minority might have taken from someone, there are 5 more jobs that went to a Nantucket-tanned lazy fuck who just happened to go to Exeter, or Andover with the guy making the decisions.

Laws come in two forms - written and unwritten. There's no "written law" that says that you have to have a top tier school degree to make MD at Goldman Sach....

Look at who has those positions though and it will become clear that the vast majority do (i.e. an unwritten law just as "real" as any written one)......

There's no "written law" that says you have to come from Old Money to be asked to join the Carnegie Club but look at who's a member and you'll see quite clearly there is one (an unwritten law just as real as any written one)....


My whole point is that we have an entire system in this country built on privilege and it's very naive to go on and on about the so called undeserved privileges that minorities have when in actuality they are very small compared to the class based privileges many people partake in in society....
 
Haha, gladly...

Yes America has class issues, along with every other country. It could always be worse... India, for example.

Just pointing out your rant about legacy admits, not accurate. Your latest post, much more accurate.
 
The great irony is that if you bleeped out the words affirmative action and the people receiving benefit, your little tirades about how you can't get ahead sound just like the people you're criticizing.

Suck on that one honky lips!
 
I think popeye and dreamache have made some legit points and there needs to be room for people to say what they feel without being accused of being "bitter" or "racist"....
 
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