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Seriously how can people that are hell bent on destroying Israel get pissed when Israel sends hit men after them? What else does Dubai expect they are harboring that piece of shit and others like him?
 
They'll get away with it. Israel has such as disproportionate amount of influence with other governments.

The more Palestinians they kill, the more attacks Hamas launch, which gives them an excuse to kill more Palestinians and so on and so on.
 
During the Iran hostage failed rescue, Operation Eagle Claw, which result in 8 fatalities, the US Special Forces covert operatives were also carrying Irish passports, and in 1986 US official Oliver North who was involved in the Iran-Contra scandal used an Irish passport.

The Irish government will never raise a fuss over Mossad using Irish passports.
Neither will Britain or the other countries the Israelis use for false IDs while carrying out assassinations in Arab countries.
 
Falian said:
Or Vice Versa.
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Yeah, it goes both ways. How anyone can defend the actions of either Hamas or the Israeli government is beyond me.

It's odd. Given historical events, you would have thought Israelis might have more empathy towards a desperate, oppressed group of people rather than choose to elect those who seemingly relish in playing the role of oppressor.

Hamas's attacks on civilians are inexcusable. However assassinations, collective punishment and apartheid are equally wrong.
 
LazyHippy said:
They'll get away with it. Israel has such as disproportionate amount of influence with other governments.

The more Palestinians they kill, the more attacks Hamas launch, which gives them an excuse to kill more Palestinians and so on and so on.
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You've got it backward.
 
LazyHippy said:
Yeah, it goes both ways. How anyone can defend the actions of either Hamas or the Israeli government is beyond me.

It's odd. Given historical events, you would have thought Israelis might have more empathy towards a desperate, oppressed group of people rather than choose to elect those who seemingly relish in playing the role of oppressor.

Hamas's attacks on civilians are inexcusable. However assassinations, collective punishment and apartheid are equally wrong.
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Oppressed my ass. There is plenty of space in the middle east held by backwards ass Islamic countries, I don't see them handing over any of their land to their Muslim brothers who are so oppressed. Funny how Israel is the only one expected to hand over their land.
 
LazyHippy said:
Hamas's attacks on civilians are inexcusable. However assassinations, collective punishment and apartheid are equally wrong.
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Israel practices apartheid? Might want to tell that to the 1 million+ Muslim arabs living within Israel proper, right next to Israeli Jews.

If you're talking about the wall Israel built in the West Bank, you might want to contrast that to the number of suicide attacks since it was finished. And also constructing barriers within occupied territory is legal under international law although there have been some issues with the way they did it.
 
Hm quite frankly if all these religious extremist want to assassinate each other that doesn't bother me much. Unlike in a war no civilians got hurt so this is definitely the better way to go then an invasion.
 
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If you're talking about the wall Israel built in the West Bank, you might want to contrast that to the number of suicide attacks since it was finished. And also constructing barriers within occupied territory is legal under international law although there have been some issues with the way they did it.
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So because it's an effective apartheid it's ok? I understand the need to protect yourself, but limiting relief supplies and collective punishment is not ok.

And by the way, the barriers are not compatible with international law.
UN International Court of Justice said:
In its Opinion, the Court finds unanimously that it has jurisdiction to give the advisory opinion requested by the United Nations General Assembly and decides by fourteen votes to one to comply with that request.
The Court responds to the question as follows:
- “A. By fourteen votes to one,
The construction of the wall being built by Israel, the occupying Power, in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem, and its associated régime, are contrary to international law”;
- “B. By fourteen votes to one,
Israel is under an obligation to terminate its breaches of international law; it is under an obligation to cease forthwith the works of construction of the wall being built in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem, to dismantle forthwith the structure therein situated, and to repeal or render ineffective forthwith all legislative and regulatory acts relating thereto, in accordance with paragraph 151 of this Opinion”;
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UN International Court of Justice said:
The Court ascertains whether the construction of the wall has violated the above‑mentioned rules and principles. It first observes that the route of the wall as fixed by the Israeli Government includes within the “Closed Area” (between the wall and the “Green Line”) some 80 percent of the settlers living in the Occupied Palestinian Territory. Recalling that the Security Council described Israel’s policy of establishing settlements in that territory as a “flagrant violation” of the Fourth Geneva Convention, the Court finds that those settlements have been established in breach of international law. It further considers certain fears expressed to it that the route of the wall will prejudge the future frontier between Israel and Palestine; it considers that the construction of the wall and its associated régime “create a ‘fait accompli’ on the ground that could well become permanent, in which case, . . . [the construction of the wall] would be tantamount to de facto annexation”. The Court notes that the route chosen for the wall gives expression in loco to the illegal measures taken by Israel, and deplored by the Security Council, with regard to Jerusalem and the settlements, and that it entails further alterations to the demographic composition of the Occupied Palestinian Territory. It finds that the “construction [of the wall], along with measures taken previously, . . . severely impedes the exercise by the Palestinian people of its right to self‑determination, and is therefore a breach of Israel’s obligation to respect that right”.
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I've heard some decent justifications of Israel's actions over the years...but not many that pretend the Israeli government is in compliance with intl law or opinion.
Then again, the US generally isn't either. I find myself pretty conflicted over the whole thing...complicated ass situation.
 
Some of the shit the Israeli Government has done over the years is fucked up, and their influence in this country is well documented. Most of my life I've always sided with the underdog in any situation - it's just my nature. But there are couple of things I can't get past:

1) Israel was attacked in 1967 by Egypt, Syria and Jordan with lots of help from Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Tunisia, Morocco etc. and they gained control of the West Bank, Sinai Peninsula, Gaza Strip, Eastern part of Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights in that war. Why should they give back the land they won when the entire Arab world launched a strike on them?

2) If the Palestinians are so oppressed, why won't their fellow Arabs step up and give them a homeland? There's plenty of room in Jordan, Syria or The Sinai Peninsula. Most of the current disputes in the area stem from the 6-day war, so why shouldn't the aggressors of that war be the ones to settle it by giving some of their land as a homeland to their brothers?
 
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I've heard some decent justifications of Israel's actions over the years...but not many that pretend the Israeli government is in compliance with intl law or opinion.
Then again, the US generally isn't either. I find myself pretty conflicted over the whole thing...complicated ass situation.
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I didn't say that this specific case was considered legal, only that that constructing barriers within occupied territory is legal.

I still challenge comparing this to apartheid. Its a separation based on nationality, not race or religion. There definitely are separated roads and there were some instances of settlers putting up "Jews only" signs, but they were removed and an Israeli court case determined anyone of Israeli citizenship, including Muslims, can use the roads but this bars non Israelis living in the West Bank.

Compare it to any other country in the world that is separated from another country with a wall. There are some things that Israel is doing which goes too far, but if Israel does something it catches 10x the shit of any other country.
 
This isnt going anywhere good.
But I will say...

"According to the Gaza Community Mental Health Programme (GCMHP), more than 60 percent of Palestinian children in Gaza suffer PTSD symptoms."

Israel's use of force has created a generation of children with murdered fathers , destoryed homes and no hope of a better life. It really bothers me to see any country take the name of god in there acts of murder on either side.

Abrahamic faiths all are based on basic principles of common good. Anything that kills innocent people is a PERVERSION of it.

That goes on both sides of the equation..

I'm not defending the actions of weak minded pussys who blow themselves up...but thats not everybody.

And creating a generation of kids fucked in the head from midnight raids and bulldozed homes...

I suggest you guys watch a documentary based on the kids of palestine and the work of James Miller.

A majority of palestinans and israelis just want to get there hustle on and provide for there families.

Closed borders do no good for anyone.
 
I find it comical that everyone fights over religion. Isn't the point of religion to believe in a peaceful afterlife? Whats funny is it could end up ending the world, yet everyone could be wrong. Why cant all these damn countries realize this and chill out.
 
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