Wanted by the police

My only complaint is that it took them so long to get that creep.

I would much prefer if they could take out top 100 Hamas military leaders with one rocket blast, but what can you do, the world is not that perfect.

All of you terrorist defenders, go to Middle East and try living as hostages or under Hamas / Hezbollah rocket attacks. See if you like terrorists more than Israeli.

Israel has the right to defend itself. Haters gonna hate, but Israel is smart enough to not give a shit!

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This isnt going anywhere good.
But I will say...

"According to the Gaza Community Mental Health Programme (GCMHP), more than 60 percent of Palestinian children in Gaza suffer PTSD symptoms."

Israel's use of force has created a generation of children with murdered fathers , destoryed homes and no hope of a better life. It really bothers me to see any country take the name of god in there acts of murder on either side.

Abrahamic faiths all are based on basic principles of common good. Anything that kills innocent people is a PERVERSION of it.

That goes on both sides of the equation..

I'm not defending the actions of weak minded pussys who blow themselves up...but thats not everybody.

And creating a generation of kids fucked in the head from midnight raids and bulldozed homes...

I suggest you guys watch a documentary based on the kids of palestine and the work of James Miller.

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A majority of palestinans and israelis just want to get there hustle on and provide for there families.

Closed borders do no good for anyone.
 
automatica said:
I didn't say that this specific case was considered legal, only that that constructing barriers within occupied territory is legal.

I still challenge comparing this to apartheid. Its a separation based on nationality, not race or religion. There definitely are separated roads and there were some instances of settlers putting up "Jews only" signs, but they were removed and an Israeli court case determined anyone of Israeli citizenship, including Muslims, can use the roads but this bars non Israelis living in the West Bank.

Compare it to any other country in the world that is separated from another country with a wall. There are some things that Israel is doing which goes too far, but if Israel does something it catches 10x the shit of any other country.
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Israel and the apartheid analogy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that's a decent read. South Africa seems to agree.
I'd like to reply myself, but this is a pretty sensitive topic...I shall take my leave of it. Too many good Israeli friends to linger on it.
 
thinksmarty said:
This isnt going anywhere good.
But I will say...

"According to the Gaza Community Mental Health Programme (GCMHP), more than 60 percent of Palestinian children in Gaza suffer PTSD symptoms."

Israel's use of force has created a generation of children with murdered fathers , destoryed homes and no hope of a better life. It really bothers me to see any country take the name of god in there acts of murder on either side.

Abrahamic faiths all are based on basic principles of common good. Anything that kills innocent people is a PERVERSION of it.

That goes on both sides of the equation..

I'm not defending the actions of weak minded pussys who blow themselves up...but thats not everybody.

And creating a generation of kids fucked in the head from midnight raids and bulldozed homes...

I suggest you guys watch a documentary based on the kids of palestine and the work of James Miller.

A majority of palestinans and israelis just want to get there hustle on and provide for there families.

Closed borders do no good for anyone.
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Give me a fucking break dude. The kids are traumatized by watching their relatives blow themselves up in crowds of people, being used as human shields, and other wonderful things.
 
It's odd. Given historical events, you would have thought Israelis might have more empathy towards a desperate, oppressed group of people rather than choose to elect those who seemingly relish in playing the role of oppressor.
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Actually, it's not odd at all from the psychological perspective. Having been fucked hard in the past is what provides many of the jews with justification for anything they are doing now.

Add to that the fact that one third of Israel are total lunatics (kind of like the far right in the US), and you end up in a situation where even the moderate part of the ruling class of Israel can't do shit about the fucked up stuff some jews are doing.

Illegal settlers don't receive proper punishment for what they are doing because of the political pressure from those lunatics. And all efforts to stop/dismantle that practice are effectively stalled or reduced to minimum.

While there are plenty of jews who understand how fucked up that is, not much can be done. There aren't many political figures that can survive a sustained opposition of the "lunatic front" for long. So not many politicians dare to take the steps needed to keep their own population in check.
 
Can anyone tell the difference btw them?
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US doesn't choke of the supply of food and medicine to Mexico.
You see, Palestine is not a country, it's an autonomous region controlled by Israel.

So it's more like US taking one state and building a wall around it because natives of that state are causing too much trouble for the rest of the union.

BTW, West Bank != Gaza :) Things in West Bank are much better than in Gaza Strip.
 
bcc423 said:
Illegal settlers don't receive proper punishment for what they are doing because of the political pressure from those lunatics. And all efforts to stop/dismantle that practice are effectively stalled or reduced to minimum.
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Too bad that the entire Arab world considers the State of Israel an "Illegal Settlement".

You know what? FUCK THEM!

I do not give a shit what sponsors and supporters of terrorism think. They deserve everything that is coming to them. Israel exists because Jewish settlers took nobody's shit and fought for their land. Until Hamas and Hezbollah recognize Israel's right to exist and stop terrorism their leaders deserve their assassinations. If these creeps are going to use their own people as human shields, well that's just too bad. Arab terror victims should blame their terrorist leaders.

Another thing that really offends me is use of the term "Palestine". I consider if very offensive to Jewish people, because the name was given by Roman Emperor Hadrian after Philistines specifically to humiliate the Jews, defeated after Bar Kohba revolt. You can learn about this here Aelia Capitolina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There is no such thing as Palestine. There is the State of Israel, very willing and capable of defending itself.

EDIT: FYI, term "Palestine" is not used in Israel. The so-called "West Bank" is known as "Judea and Samaria Area"
 
I do not give a shit what sponsors and supporters of terrorism think. They deserve everything that is coming to them.
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They certainly do. But what about the innocent people that get fucked in the process?
 
Can you suggest some other solution?
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Yep. Work with the elite of that region to make it profitable for them to be friends instead of making it profitable for them to be the enemies.

Of course it's hard when there are people on both sides who stand to profit (both politically and financially) from the conflict.
 
HardSale said:
Oppressed my ass. There is plenty of space in the middle east held by backwards ass Islamic countries, I don't see them handing over any of their land to their Muslim brothers who are so oppressed. Funny how Israel is the only one expected to hand over their land.
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Unarmed Gunman said:
2) If the Palestinians are so oppressed, why won't their fellow Arabs step up and give them a homeland? There's plenty of room in Jordan, Syria or The Sinai Peninsula. Most of the current disputes in the area stem from the 6-day war, so why shouldn't the aggressors of that war be the ones to settle it by giving some of their land as a homeland to their brothers?
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There's already over 4 million Palestinians in the other countries, over 300,000 still in refugee camps.

Haiti and Mexico are over 95% Christian and the USA has more resources to handle people, but I don't see many calls for increased immigration.
 
Israel exists because Jewish settlers took nobody's shit and fought for their land.
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Nope. Israel exists because in the past it was really good at sucking big fat Uncle Sam's cock. And like any smart whore, once it sucked its way into prosperity, it immediately turned around and decided to "forget" its past.

But that really doesn't matter. It has nothing to do with the shit that's going on now.
 
bcc423 said:
They certainly do. But what about the innocent people that get fucked in the process?
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It is like saying after Pearl Harbor: "Well we do not like what Japanese Government did, but we will not go to war with them because innocent Japanese people can get fucked in the process". If that was the thinking you would be speaking Japanese or German right now.

Collateral damage is unfortunate, but the root cause is terrorism itself, not Israeli response. Hamas and Hezbollah uses human shields specifically to win sympathy of easy-to-dupe foreigners. Cry me a river.

Sorry friends, but many of you grew up fat and happy and have no clue about living in a war zone. I got relatives in Haifa who had to hide in the bomb shelter from Hezbollah rockets.

bcc423 said:
Nope. Israel exists because in the past it was really good at sucking big fat Uncle Sam's cock. And like any smart whore, once it sucked its way into prosperity, it immediately turned around and decided to "forget" its past.
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Is Hitler your uncle?
 
I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right.
-Winston Churchill

Back when I was in High shcol I found this quote despicable. After I lost some of my naivette and realized that this has happened pretty much in every territory throughout the history of earth, I started to understand why this quote makes sense. Humans have taken the land of others whether by force (physical and not) throughout history, to make a special case for one group of people, for an isolated incident in a vast history of human civilization, is folly.

The ethical means of warfare however, like the use of white phosphorous and other stuff that goes on, is a completly differnent issue that I stay away from.
 
Is Hitler your uncle?
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I take it you've run out of counter-arguments. LOL. That was quick. I'm actually disappointed. Come on, you can do better than that.
 
bcc423 said:
US doesn't choke of the supply of food and medicine to Mexico.
You see, Palestine is not a country, it's an autonomous region controlled by Israel.

So it's more like US taking one state and building a wall around it because natives of that state are causing too much trouble for the rest of the union.

BTW, West Bank != Gaza :) Things in West Bank are much better than in Gaza Strip.
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And till then Israel has to protect itself, even if its a short-term solution such as this barrier.
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Israel would only have that right if they prosecuted all jews (especially in government/military/industrial complex) that took any sort of gain from this never-ending conflict and all the "solutions".

But that's not going to happen. So trying to legitimize actions of any of the sides is ridiculous.
 
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