All rivers flow into the ocean. All paths lead to the same. =)
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We are the universe
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No, all of the things you mentioned are explained by physics. Of course there are certain questions that we can't answer yet, like "Why is electricity what it is?", but no part of me tells me it's a mysterious all-encompassing cosmic energy. There's literally no reason to believe that. Your feeling is the exact same feeling a Muslim has about Allah, a Hindu has about Vishnu, etc. The number of conflicting "feelings" claiming the absolute origin of everything invalidates the notion itself that 'faith' and 'mysterious feelings' are actually anything at all.
"Mankind's arrogance"...talk about an ultimate strawman. You're supporting a strawman quote with a strawman.
Mankind is legit, give yourself some credit.
I don't know, but I don't let "mysterious feelings" guide what I believe about the universe. I see no reason for that. If you have a compelling reason, I'm all ears. But simply stating "Do you really believe we're superior to everything?" is a horrible reason and about as far from compelling as you can get.
Yea, bro the entire universe and who knows how many universes - all of them came into existence along with all the lifeforms from nowhere and exist in harmony and perfect balance without any intelligent "insert word for god" doing it. Even "intelligent" may not be an appropriate word for it considering there's so little we know. We are so much limited by our limited human brain potential
I pop in once every few months, I'll be damned if I'm not going to troll/try hard when doing so.
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Humans have all kinds of beliefs/religions. Whatever path humans choose to live their life can't affect the existence of a god.
There's limited shit we can achieve in this short span of life. We're almost like a traveler, or even a long dream. I've had dreams during few hours of sleep where I'd spend like a day or more doing weird shit. Its no different from real life. It is almost like I lived an entirely different life during that sleep and was suddenly pulled out in the end. Maybe you're a dream of someone who is a dream of someone and so on. Now this is just a random theory, no more
One thing's for sure. You can't prove a god if you go by your typical rational arguments. Its to be felt deep inside, not proven. At the end of the day, whatever you say or believe wouldn't matter for the god. I mean, would it matter for you what something the size of billionth of a microbe does?
Humans have all kinds of beliefs/religions. Whatever path humans choose to live their life can't affect the existence of a god.
There's limited shit we can achieve in this short span of life. We're almost like a traveler, or even a long dream. I've had dreams during few hours of sleep where I'd spend like a day or more doing weird shit. Its no different from real life. It is almost like I lived an entirely different life during that sleep and was suddenly pulled out in the end. Maybe you're a dream of someone who is a dream of someone and so on. Now this is just a random theory, no more
One thing's for sure. You can't prove a god if you go by your typical rational arguments. Its to be felt deep inside, not proven. At the end of the day, whatever you say or believe wouldn't matter for the god. I mean, would it matter for you what something the size of billionth of a microbe does?
nah you ain't trying hard i dont see any citations for all of your claims
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If construing our little monkey-brained human ideas of a god around an objective singularity is accurate, then no, a human's path may not affect the existence of a god.
The idea has been posed, and I think it's worth considering, that god is not an objective singularity but is a shared collection of consciousness, at once manifested by and in turn manifesting existence from the creative will of life. If there is a soul or spirit connected to all life, this energy is certainly not currently well understood; there is no reason such energy could not be fuel for the sustained creation of higher dimensional reality which we collectively contribute to and may refer to as divine in its totality, much like calories are the fuel for the sustained creation of our ordinary 3d life in which we all participate and contribute.
If this idea has any basis in reality then the path that every human chooses in life may indeed affect the existence and will of a god, and in turn may also affect the course of others' lives who share in its will to manifest.
jacky8 said:
No, in real life if you "do weird shit" for 2 days, you actually do it for 2 days.
I wouldn't even give you credit for it being a theory. It's based on literally nothing. Unless you have something it's based on that you can show me.
Agreed...
Absolutely, what if that mini-microbe starts the process of creating a cancer cell?
To get this discussion back on track:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pfwY2TNehw]We Are Here: The Pale Blue Dot - YouTube[/ame]
God is, god isn't; who cares. We are.
Quit arguing with each other on the internet and go do something productive -- build a product that changes a life (or two), go hug your kids, or go call your grandmother. All of those things are infinitely more valuable than arguing about god.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pfwY2TNehw]We Are Here: The Pale Blue Dot - YouTube[/ame]
God is, god isn't; who cares. We are.
Quit arguing with each other on the internet and go do something productive -- build a product that changes a life (or two), go hug your kids, or go call your grandmother. All of those things are infinitely more valuable than arguing about god.
Explained? I guess it depends what you mean by "explained".
Coming up with a complex mathematical formula explains the how but not the why. It's great that scientists came up with the big bang, how galaxies were born, how life came to exist on earth, etc... that's all great and exciting stuff, but it does not give any answer to a guy searching for the true meaning of life.
Speaking of the "meaning of life", don't you find it interesting that, throughout these past couple million years, mankind has evolved in so many ways: physically, mentally, socially, technologically, politically, scientifically, etc... but when it comes to answering the fundamental question "what's the meaning of life?" we're still at the same level today as Neanderthals were 600,000 years ago. We still don't know what the meaning of this whole circus is, what we're supposed to be doing and where the hell we're going. Dude, millions of years have passed and we still don't have a clue of how to answer this question. Do you really think scientists will be able to answer this question anytime soon, if ever? Don't you think that perhaps we are not equipped to fully comprehend this system and its meaning with our measly 3 pounds of grey matter?
Yes, spirituality is part of religion. Spirituality is basically religion without all the non-sense dogmas, do this and not that, cut your foreskin, hell, paradise, punishments, etc...
Again, you either feel it or you don't. Some of the world's greatest have felt it, not just Einstein. There is something out there. I encourage you to seek it.
I give mankind a lot of credit for everything we've achieved socially, technologically, medically and it terms of the understanding of how our world works. However, understanding ≠ meaning, and like I said above, we still have no clue what the meaning of our existence is and why this whole system is the way it is. We are not at the center of the universe. In fact, the universe can exist without us. We are part of a system that is clearly greater than us.
Why is "What's the meaning of life?" a valid question? It's like asking "Why are unicorns invisible to us?"
Why do you reject the notion that there is no "meaning of life"? Wouldn't that explain why literally no progress has been made towards an explanation of the question in the 600,000 years neanderthals have been around?
Questionable Analogy
If a unicorn shows up in somebody's back yard, everyone would ask questions like "Is this thing real? How did it get here? Why is it here?"
Yeah, if a unicorn showed up in my back yard I would probably say something like that
What a poor comparison. It's a valid question because we exist, we are alive and we have a consciousness that makes us see past our animal nature. If unicorns existed, and they had the same heightened consciousness as we have, they would/should be wondering the same question about themselves.
Relevant quote:
"The word ‘God’ has become empty of meaning through thousands of years of misuse. I use it sometimes, but I do so sparingly. By misuse, I mean that people who have never ever glimpsed the realm of the sacred, the infinite vastness behind that word, use it with great conviction, as if they know what they are talking about. Or they argue against it, as if they know what they are denying."
- Eckhart Tolle
"The word ‘God’ has become empty of meaning through thousands of years of misuse. I use it sometimes, but I do so sparingly. By misuse, I mean that people who have never ever glimpsed the realm of the sacred, the infinite vastness behind that word, use it with great conviction, as if they know what they are talking about. Or they argue against it, as if they know what they are denying."
- Eckhart Tolle