Who here is a Drug Dealer turn Marketer?
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Well, some guy I know used to sell weed, nothing much more than a half a P at a time. Made for some good cashing out at the mall money, also ate good every day at restaurants, gas, but that was about it.
Nigga......read the pastebin I just posted. You'll find your answers there if you look closely.
Fuck, I'm gonna have to actually read that whole shit. Shit, just skimmed the first sentence.
Edit: Read. Nothing about SR, though I doubt it's even safe anymore since the feds are probably all over that shit.
TL;DR-
1. Dea "infiltrated the DTO" = snitches were planted in the admin section. They either got some leverage on someone who was busted or they paid/charmed their way in. I'm guessing the first way.
2. Tor networks aren't bulletproof. True, you're virtually untraceable but if you have enough clout with IPs you can pretty much force them to give you up. That's assuming you can't trick them into clicking on javascript links that will be able to leak their true ips. Here's how you do it:
a. you order a package from the dealer
b. you receive it, now the post office will be able to tell you the original dropoff point.
c. you contact ALL isps in the region to be on alert for anyone that uses .onion encryption to cover their tracks online. i guarantee you there'll only be a handful in the given county or even state.
d. you order again, your suspect will be somebody on that list unless of course they are hijacking the internet, using a server (still traceable), or vpn (more or less untraceable if gotten in certain countries, clearly not in the netherlands).
e. order enough packages to get an accurate approximate location from the post office and simultaneously, find a way to communicate with the sellers. in the farmer's market, they had an open forum. so all the dea had to do is match .onion users with the time of the posts. that would immensely cut down the suspect list.
f. get warrants.
They did this all over the globe. And even if you're untraceable online, how are you going to get your paper boo? Paypal, wester union? lol. I can't believe the fucking dumbasses at FM actually used *paypal*. Wow. Moving the money alone would be the most difficult part. That's not something I discuss openly.
1. Dea "infiltrated the DTO" = snitches were planted in the admin section. They either got some leverage on someone who was busted or they paid/charmed their way in. I'm guessing the first way.
2. Tor networks aren't bulletproof. True, you're virtually untraceable but if you have enough clout with IPs you can pretty much force them to give you up. That's assuming you can't trick them into clicking on javascript links that will be able to leak their true ips. Here's how you do it:
a. you order a package from the dealer
b. you receive it, now the post office will be able to tell you the original dropoff point.
c. you contact ALL isps in the region to be on alert for anyone that uses .onion encryption to cover their tracks online. i guarantee you there'll only be a handful in the given county or even state.
d. you order again, your suspect will be somebody on that list unless of course they are hijacking the internet, using a server (still traceable), or vpn (more or less untraceable if gotten in certain countries, clearly not in the netherlands).
e. order enough packages to get an accurate approximate location from the post office and simultaneously, find a way to communicate with the sellers. in the farmer's market, they had an open forum. so all the dea had to do is match .onion users with the time of the posts. that would immensely cut down the suspect list.
f. get warrants.
They did this all over the globe. And even if you're untraceable online, how are you going to get your paper boo? Paypal, wester union? lol. I can't believe the fucking dumbasses at FM actually used *paypal*. Wow. Moving the money alone would be the most difficult part. That's not something I discuss openly.
I'm guessing the sellers are the one's more likely to get screwed.
How about they buyers though? Assuming you didn't pay with PP (rather laundering your untraceable internet currency).
How about they buyers though? Assuming you didn't pay with PP (rather laundering your untraceable internet currency).
Note: I'm 100% talking hypothetically here.
Well, the only way the buyers would get screwed is if they bought in enough weight that it would bring enough attention to them since the sellers did use typical mailing systems to deliver their products. Another way is if the sellers got busted and were forced to give up their client list. It'd be hard to prove in court that somebody actually bought the drugs in court though unless they used their home address and paid with a paypal that had their name on it (double lol).
I guess also since they planted DEA sellers in the site, you could always get unlucky and order from the wrong person. I have no idea whether the intent to purchase schedule 1-2 drugs and below is a felony or just a misdemeanor.
Easier ways to make big cheese young hustla
Well, the only way the buyers would get screwed is if they bought in enough weight that it would bring enough attention to them since the sellers did use typical mailing systems to deliver their products. Another way is if the sellers got busted and were forced to give up their client list. It'd be hard to prove in court that somebody actually bought the drugs in court though unless they used their home address and paid with a paypal that had their name on it (double lol).
I guess also since they planted DEA sellers in the site, you could always get unlucky and order from the wrong person. I have no idea whether the intent to purchase schedule 1-2 drugs and below is a felony or just a misdemeanor.
Easier ways to make big cheese young hustla
bitcoin?
Sounds like the way to go would be to use a VPN through TOR to be as anonymous as possible.
For the post office situation, you have a network of people you would send to across the country, then they send the package to the customer.
You use a different intermediary each time for each customer, the intermediaries follow a consistent process of avoiding recognition by any security cameras at the mail locations, the intermediaries can also consist of groups of people to make identifying any kind of patterns of suspects all the more difficult.
From what I've read SR works by bitcoin initially, which withdraws to Libertyreserve. Then you would have to exchange that via some other currency. It's a preposterous amount of laundering for a pittance of a reward. Similar to the phish mailing thread that was started yesterday there are plenty of legal opportunities to ever consider this stupidity. God knows what goes through such mentally challenged minds to think that the feds don't have enough resources and intelligence to catch up to it, regardless of the precautions. Uncle sam wants to be the one controlling and moving the drugs, not little anon peddlers!
A VPN + .onion links should more or less make you untraceable, just make sure you get it in a country that doesn't give a fuck about the FBI (e.g. Russia).
Bitcoins would be the 2nd most secure option, read more about their weaknesses here:
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Weaknesses#Tracing_a_coin_s_history
Let me highlight something however
Read that twice.
Now on to your other idea about using intermediaries. As stated earlier, the DEA infiltrated the organization by likely busing a few people and getting them to give details about the drug trafficking operations. Keep in mind the larger the organization becomes, the more likely such security breaches would occur. Furthermore the combined technological and physical threat you would face would quickly put you under.
I dunno about silk road, but farmer's market - which was considered to be an amateur operation, did about 1 million a year according to most estimates. The DEA puts their operations at $1M for 3 years but sources claim that they uncovered only a fraction of the total scheme.
It would probably be worth it if you lived in some 3rd world country, but otherwise there are plenty of other ways to make that kind of money. In all honesty though, selling narcotics is one of the fastest ways to make money.
This is how I'd run my hypothetical drug ring if I absolutely had to make money illegally:
FEDS: Dear DEA, I don't need any of your shit, and I will have no part in any of this.
Lol, I never have, nor never will sell drugs online. That's just asking for it.
This is STS so it was just a question, a question about your hypothetical past. That's all.
This is STS so it was just a question, a question about your hypothetical past. That's all.