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Well I must just say this if you haven't understood it yet.
Different versions of the pagerank formula has been released by google, or maybe more correctly by Larry Page and Sergey Brin, in the patent papers or something like that. And our information are based upon this.
 


Juicify you said this "But for pagerank, in a linkexchange, only 1 website gain from it, the other loses" and you said it as fact while giving advice to the original poster. Not only is this not fact, it is actually almost for certain completely false. You are not basing your comments on any information released by Google, you are basing it on other people like yourself that don't know what they are talking about. To tell somebody that Page Rank only helps 1 website is rediculous and absurd. THAT is why I gave you negative rep.

Now, why did you give me negative rep? Oh, because I gave it to you? Great.
 
Squirrelinabox said:
Juicify you said this "But for pagerank, in a linkexchange, only 1 website gain from it, the other loses" and you said it as fact while giving advice to the original poster. Not only is this not fact, it is actually almost for certain completely false. You are not basing your comments on any information released by Google, you are basing it on other people like yourself that don't know what they are talking about. To tell somebody that Page Rank only helps 1 website is rediculous and absurd. THAT is why I gave you negative rep.

Now, why did you give me negative rep? Oh, because I gave it to you? Great.

Check this out
Based on the formulas released by google. As you can see the single pages on each site linking to eachother both gain PR. This is probably what you are talking about, but for the sites as whole, 1 site gains, 1 site loses.
 
claiming to know everything about Google because you built and exact replica
you are clearly trying to cover and divert from the point of your bad behaviour on this forum.
I have never claimed to know everything about google. I have built a replica for my final year project and was awarded a high mark via a University. I commented on whether a link out damages pagerank.
I can't really be bothered to answer you fully becuase it would be a waste of my time.
 
My last comment on this topic.

Juicify, perhaps you're just a really, really bad communicator. In my previous quote, you are giving advice that one should never link exchange with anybody that may have lower page rank than you. If you believe that statement, you are wrong. I can point to many half assed tutorials that completely back whatever I want about page rank because there are plenty of people out there selling their bullshit. However, common sense says that it would be rediculous for Google to actually rank any of your pages down for doing a reciprocal link. Here's the thing, you have to think about these things. If your site and all its pages are a PR 5, that means it's already getting a bunch outside links. That also means that your internal links to internal pages likely aren't affected much, and almost certainly aren't hurt enough to warrant not doing a link exchange.

Sure, there are probably some very special cases out there that may make a case for not doing a link exchange because of PR. For example, maybe a site has a homepage of PR 10 and it has only one other page. The homepage has a lot of inbound links which is why it's a PR 10 but the other page has no inbound links from outside sides only one link from the PR 10 homepage. Let's also say that the homepage ONLY links to the internal page and nowhere else. Now, obviously that PR 10 homepage link will give a decent amount to the internal page. Let's just say, conservitavely, that the internal page gets a PR of 3. Now, since the homepage is the ONLY page linking to the internal, any inbound links that are reciprocated from the homepage are going to hurt the internal page more than help. This is an incredibly special case and since most sites will not have such an odd setup, your advice given was incredibly bad. This is why I gave you the bad rep.

As for L#, since you can't be bothered to come up with any answers to my valid points, I won't be bothered to come up with any more reason why you are being a hyprocrit.

For both of you, the rediculousness is that you both felt threatened and or "wronged" for me giving you bad rep. You both said it was unjustified and that I was misusing the system. Now, think about that. I was misusing the system because I thought both of your posts were not only bad, but they were giving others (what I believe to be) incredibly bad advice. Now, that seems like the exact reason to use the rep system don't you think? Let's now think about what you BOTH did after receiving the rep... oh yeah, you turned around and gave me bad rep soley for giving your bad rep. L# even wrote the comment "you give what you get", while obviously misstyped, still points out that he didn't care at all about the post he was repping, only about revenge. For both of you to come out and say I was abusing the rep system is a friggin hypocrisy. Learn to take criticism, especially when it's needed and stop being sensitive internet babies.

Feel free to continue this conversation without me.
 
I think people are getting a bit confused about what's actually being discussed, and that's causing the disagreements. You probably all essentially agree with each other :)

Juicify is correct in what he says. Purely on the basis of PR alone it's safe to say that one site will get more PR out of the exchange than the other. One site will gain, and the other will lose. Things would have to be absolutely equal for one of the sites not to lose out. That's obviously highly unlikely.

However, in terms of actual SEO benefits, obviously the link exchange may still be worth it. You get the weight of the anchor text / possibly Local Rank for exchanging with a related authority site etc.

Squirrelinabox, I don't think Juicify is saying "you should never do a link exchange with anyone that has a lower PR than you". I think he's just explaining what the effect would be in terms of PR, and to keep it in mind when selecting link partners.

L# has built a model of the Google search engine based on stuff they've released. There's nothing wrong with that.

I don't think anyone should have received bad rep really (but who cares about rep anyway!? lol)
 
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