Hooray For Changes!

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Jon

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Alright. So there is no reason to IM, email or PM me about the changes. I own the fucking forum you idiots! I know there are changes being made because I am doing it. Jesus..

Anyway, here's the deal. (notice how the changes were made first this time and weren't just announced and then done months later. See, I'm learning!)

Change #1:
I added the "And Now For Something Completely Different" section so we can merge all of the boob pics, youtube video links (you can embed them right into the forum now, just uncheck the link parsing option underneath the post window for now until we fix it), and everything that has to do with entertainment, humor and fun times.

Why you ask? Well, because it clogs up StS and other sections, and it makes a lot more sense to have one section where you can blow off some steam before you get into a drama filled posting battle, or just to laugh for a bit for the sake of taking a break from checking your stats and working.

Change #2:
I changed the forum and thread counts so that it shows 50 posts per thread per page, and 50 threads per page per section too. Due to the awesome popularity here, and the fact that threads that may have some value get buried pretty quickly, now for those who don't use the "new posts" option, can see more threads. This should also cause less pageviews here, which have already exceeded the 8,000,000 mark. Good for our servers so I don't care what you think.

I also made some changes on the amount of views and posts for a thread to be "hot", because the old settings were too lax.

Change #3:
It hasn't been made public just yet, but it exists. I know I said I wouldn't do it, but I think it's necessary at the moment. There WILL be a paid section packed with content, ideas, keywords, software, niches, etc. The subscription rate will be between $35-$55 per month. Haven't decided on a set price just yet. We'll either be using PayPal or Google Checkout.

Few reasons for this. First, the less advertisers we accept, the more control we have over them. For example, if a shitty affiliate network wants to advertise here, and we are in need of the cash, then we have to take them on, unfortunately. But, we haven't let it get to that yet, which is good. Second reason, people have been bugging me for a while to make a private area where more advanced ideas and information can be shared without newbies, lurkers, or members who don't do shit here can see. I agree with them. The member loyalty section is being merged with the paid area. So that loyal members will get access to it for free, but everyone else will have to pay. Last reason. Because I feel like it bitch. So deal with it. All of the members will still be REQUIRED to participate in the regular more public sections, but for those really good ideas and resources, paid is where it will be at sucka!

Change #4:
More mods. Why do we need them? Because this place is getting bigger and tougher to manage with the small group of staffers we have now. Remember, we are all volunteers too, and all cash made by WF goes right back into WF, so it's not like this is some super fun way to spend our days banning, modding, and helping people, all the while still packing it with content. It's a pain in the ass. Trust me. You will never know what a pain in the ass is until either A. you have kids (which I don't thankfully) or B. you own a webmaster forum that gets more traffic than Sex.com and SearchEngineWatch.com combined. Bleh.

There you have it. Changes that have already been made, and aren't "coming soon"... now... if we can just figure out how to get those damn sections on top running properly... or maybe I'll just leave them blank to annoy you fuckers. Bwahahahaha.

Oh yeah.. 2 quick notes..

Kevin is making us a newsletter template so we can start spamming you guys with ebooks and boob pics.

We're also adding some new sections to give them a trial run and see how they do.

1- Adult affiliates/webmasters
2- Gambling affiliates/webmasters
3- Affiliate Managers inhouse/outsourced (pw protected and/or private)

All of these sections, new and old will most likely end up being merged together so they fit into their respective vertical when the rest of the changes actually happen. (I think the last poll taken predicted a launch date in 2010).
 


Change 1, don't know how it'll work out but sounds good. STS was getting crowded.
Change 2, very due! I like this idea a lot.
Chagne 3, I'm completely against paying especially since I've contributed some (albeit a small ammout) of content that is actually good, but again it isn't my forum.
Change 4, great...can I volunteer?
 
The problem with the paid section could be that many of the more valuable members are already paying $100/month for Eli's SQUiRT, and the private forum there is very nice. I don't think many people will want to pay $150 a month. :|

EDIT: I can't change my thread view options to make it 10 posts per page again. That should definitely be an option.
 
The problem with the paid section could be that many of the more valuable members are already paying $100/month for Eli's SQUiRT, and the private forum there is very nice. I don't think many people will want to pay $150 a month. :|

EDIT: I can't change my thread view options to make it 10 posts per page again. That should definitely be an option.

I'm going to get flamed for this, but I'm at the point where I don't really care anymore..

Honestly. If you can't pay the membership fee, then it's not the end of the world for you. It's not like there is NOTHING here for everyone. I don't expect the paid section to get a shitload of people onto it, and quite frankly, I'd prefer it not to have all that many people on it. Paying under $100 a month for access to better ideas, resources, etc, is just a step up from what's already available here that no other forum has. WickedFire definitely has more than enough seasoned pros that won't be members, and remember too, NOT all members of the paid section will be paying. We're going to extend free invitations to the ones who deserve it, who have stuck with us and continued to give more than recieve.

There will most likely be levels of paid memberships too, so if you're a paid member for one and you want to join another, it will only be something like $5-$10 more onto your current fee, rather than the full price. Not to mention it does give us lots of room to play with for contests and prizes that actually matter to people.

Seriously. It's not the end of the world. We aren't charging as much as Eli or Quadszilla either because both of those guys have services that are COMPLETELY different from ours. They are both my friends, and I've discussed it with them and we've all agreed to not go head to head with one another (well, at least me and Eli, and me and Quad).

Making one paid membership option for everything would be a bad decision on our part, especially in the long run, because there are so many different things needed and requested that it would be doomed to fail due to overwhelming requests and expectations.

That's all there is to it. And as I explained my reasoning about this to Brandon before Miami on why I want to go this route instead of depending on advertisers, it's because advertisers seem to only be interested in the NOW, not the future and not doing anything longterm, and for the sake of WickedFire and it's future, that just isn't something I want to have to depend on constantly. Forums and resource sites without ads is great, and has worked very well for us. If WickedFire weren't so damn popular and heavily visited then I'd go the route as SomethingAwful does with the user ads that are cheap as hell and are non-intrusive. But with that forum, everyone has to pay a mandatory one time fee of $10 just to join, so he has to be doing something right.

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Oh yeah, I'm all for the idea of a paid section - it's a great way to monetize a forum with good content like this. I'm just saying that you're going to miss out on the high-value members that are already paying for other services. But I guess that's why you let them in free, eh? :)
 
Your changes are fine with me, except for the price you put on the full subscription. I don't even buy cable because I can't afford it. I like this site, and would pay $35-$55 a *year* for a subscription.

My two cents (take it off my tab).
 
awesome changes!

one suggestion... would you consider doing a pricing scheme for the paid area based on posts beginning at, say, 500. maybe for every 200 posts above 500 its $10 off the monthly fee or something.

i mean im legitimately here to learn, meet people, and contribute ideas and not just steal them like noobs (one of the reasons for the paid section) and i dont appreciate legitimately contributing and then being asked to pay to become a 'real' member.

plus, make lifetime subscriptions be available! and lower the monthly fee a bit.

ive learned alot from the 'free' forum. id hate to see wickedfire turn into the same shitty, noobish posts month after month because all the money makers are in the eliter area...

other than that, looks good!
 
Who the fuck is going to pay to read all the drama and bullshit around here? Once you make a paid section no one will post in the "free" forum, it don't work both ways
 
If i may make a small protest...
Random boobie threads going in their own section is cool, but what about the 1,000th boobie posts?

It kind of ruins all the excitement of getting to your 1,000th post if theres a structured time and place for it already filled with everyone elses. I'd personally like to see them stay in the Shooting The Shit. It brightens my day to browse in and see someone reach their thousandth post. It's like YAY BOOBIES! Its a different story if I go specifically looking for it. I hope that makes sense. It's like the difference between getting a random girl to flash you on the street and going to a strip club. No good way of explaining the difference, there just is one.

I don't know, maybe its just me.
 
Sweet,

I'll see you all in the paid section :thumbsup: hahaha

I like the changes, any news on the blogging section?
 
Oh yeah, I'm all for the idea of a paid section - it's a great way to monetize a forum with good content like this. I'm just saying that you're going to miss out on the high-value members that are already paying for other services. But I guess that's why you let them in free, eh? :)

Every member here has the potential to be a "high value member" but it seems as if very few actually put in the effort to do so, and instead just leech a whole lot and ask rediculous questions and expect to get trade secrets and access to shit without doing anything in return.

Basically it comes down to two things.

Be lazy and pay up.
or
Contribute and be rewarded.

Either option is fine by me to be honest. I wouldn't think any less of someone for paying, but other members may not be as nice as me.

Nuff said.
 
I can see a fall off of quality content if everyone just keeps everything in the premium area. What if you released premium content selectively, and after a certain amount of time, into the free area? That's a rhetorical, but I'm basically saying it might keep the quality up and entice people into the paid section when they see what they are missing.
 
I can see a fall off of quality content if everyone just keeps everything in the premium area. What if you released premium content selectively, and after a certain amount of time, into the free area? That's a rhetorical, but I'm basically saying it might keep the quality up and entice people into the paid section when they see what they are missing.

That's a pretty good idea.
 
How about a free sample of some of the stuff in the premium area? Would it cover profitable high ROI arbitrage niches for example?
 
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Congrats on moderatordom Laura!

Changes sound good, Jon. I can see where your coming from, a paid forum does sound like a better alternative than being dependent on advertisers. Like others I am concerned about how it may dilute the quality in the public forum and also if I pay for something I want to make sure I use it, and I probably spend too much time here as it is!

Love the sig btw... gotta share that with some potter-head friends!
 
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