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at least americans aren't afraid of telling our gov't what we think is evil. We don't stand aside and let them kill with out protests. We try. That's why I have no sympathy for you.


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It was UN's decision, after all.
The UN has no right to make decisions about my life or the life of anyone else.

If you think it does, prove it.

When the state has been established the way it was in 1948
Through violence and theft.

Israel has been attacked numerous times by armies far greater then there is citizens (including children and old man) living in Israel back then
Which armies?

and EARNED the right to stay there
How could they earn the right to throw Palestinians out of their homes?

by fighting the war they didn't start
They did start it. It's how they formed Israel.

This has happened with various nations across the world all the time in the history. That's how many countries around the world formed and became relevant in the history of the world. The place you live in is no different.
Just because people always did wrong, doesn't mean wrong is right.

It's not about justifying what happened because it happened.

It's about having morals, principles, ethics. Do you have any?
 
My last post to this thread, there is only so much arguing you can do with people who are fanatics for violence against children and mass murder of innocent people.

This is a presentation from the son of a famous Israeli general, talking about truths of the situation in Israel. It's different from the narrative promoted in America. Very much worth an hour of your time if you have any interest in this topic.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOaxAckFCuQ]Miko Peled Seattle. Oct. 1, 2012 - YouTube[/ame]
 
@op:
you don't seem to understand that most americans hate israelis. We've figured out that telecom company is fucking with our cop's phones and we're building our own slowly with out you knowing. Once that is in place, Israel has no foot hold and you are on your own.

See: The shit storm that you started with the countries around you. Hate to tell you this but the Americans like Iran now. Visit any activists, right or left wing, and it's more about saving palestine or not going to war with Iran.

Your facist gov't needs to die. If you are there, and not doing something about, you need to die. I mean that. I'm a nice person. I save spiders. You need to die.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kxy-afPdM-E]US admits Israel is arming and training terrorist groups to create terrorism - YouTube[/ame]
 
Hey Guerilla, I watched the video, thanks for posting it. Now, you me and everyone else can understand why it's so hard to believe what's really going on behind the curtains.

If we are to really believe the author of that book, and everything he said to be the undeniable truth, then we got a bigger problem. Cause I doubt, that even the most open minded people,that can change things, would adopt changing mind because of truths Peled talks about in his book, when the facts and years of accepted history tells us a different story. Some could say that it gets pretty close to the realms of conspiracy theories.

The problem is that we are here right now, living in 21st century, and whatever the agenda of zionist governments and leaders was in the past, their actions must be still in full effect today, and people are obviously clueless no matter how you look at it. People really, cannot do anything about it, like people cannot change perceptions on USA governments, even tho everyone knows, they steal left and right, they have stupid energy agendas, that they destroying US economy, and so on.

Peled is exaggerating when talking about army just going in and killing and torturing and beating innocent people all the time. I know couple of these people that served army on the front line, consider some of them friends, and I definitely cannot see them doing something like this immoral and unethical, and then be ok with living their lives. They are not idiots, that are blinded with zionist agenda, they are just soldiers that are doing what they are told, and see with their own eyes, and feel with their own emotions. I just don't want to believe they would go in and start killing and torturing for the fuck of it.

It seems like the issue here is big agenda, that some smart but devious people accepted, and agreed upon a while back and is passed throughout the years to their chosen followers to keep the idea alive. Even if it so, there is no practical change to this, whoever would dare to change public opinion would be removed (Yitchak Rabin).

Why you keep on talking about morals and violent fanaticism, when you know all to well, that people are mass, usually clueless to background stories pushed trough years of edited government propaganda. We are all in this group.

Why do you morally accept living on the land that is stolen from Indians throughout the years of suffering and massacre? Why don't you do something that Peled did, as a jewish guy born and raised in Israel. Why don't you stand up for the real story on how US really became a country and talk about morality of that?

Everyone deserves the real truth. And yeah, you are right, no evil is deserving of being morally accepted. So drop the name calling and double standards.
 
Everyone deserves the real truth. And yeah, you are right, no evil is deserving of being morally accepted. So drop the name calling and double standards.

If we hadn't acknowledge what we done, we would be hypocrites. You still think you have a right to that land and the "indians" are still around. This isn't the 1800s. You have no excuse after you saw what _WE_ did, you piece of shit.

I may have trolled the other parts of this forum, but I really do hope you die. I hope you fucking get HIT tonight.

We at least try to help the indians today, because we knew it was wrong in the past. You are doing it in the present, and not giving a shit and acting like we are hypocrits so that makes it ok?

FUCKING DIE.
 
If we hadn't acknowledge what we done, we would be hypocrites. You still think you have a right to that land and the "indians" are still around. This isn't the 1800s. You have no excuse after you saw what _WE_ did, you piece of shit.

I may have trolled the other parts of this forum, but I really do hope you die. I hope you fucking get HIT tonight.

We at least try to help the indians today, because we knew it was wrong in the past. You are doing it in the present, and not giving a shit and acting like we are hypocrits so that makes it ok?

FUCKING DIE.

Infact, I'm going to find out where you live and then post hate letters from you to hamas with your address on them. Just so you get hit.

unless you buy a shirt from Israel Loves Iran and take a picture I'm gonna do that.

@op:
you don't seem to understand that most americans hate israelis. We've figured out that telecom company is fucking with our cop's phones and we're building our own slowly with out you knowing. Once that is in place, Israel has no foot hold and you are on your own.

See: The shit storm that you started with the countries around you. Hate to tell you this but the Americans like Iran now. Visit any activists, right or left wing, and it's more about saving palestine or not going to war with Iran.

Your facist gov't needs to die. If you are there, and not doing something about, you need to die. I mean that. I'm a nice person. I save spiders. You need to die.

US admits Israel is arming and training terrorist groups to create terrorism - YouTube


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