Damn, really harsh, I don't know why he didn't drop the knife, I guess he lost count on how many cops were in front of him.
18 year old Toronto teen shot 9 times + tasered by Police... Sickening!
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Hmm on one hand I could see the police thinking he was gonna throw the knife because of his position and the way he held it.
On the other hand police are supposed to be better trained than that. They could have easily retreated behind the police cars or thrown tear gas at him.
Useless waste of life... This is the shit that I expect from the US, but Canada's moving in the same direction.
On the other hand police are supposed to be better trained than that. They could have easily retreated behind the police cars or thrown tear gas at him.
Useless waste of life... This is the shit that I expect from the US, but Canada's moving in the same direction.
You mean the 21 foot rule thats applied when the gun is in the holster? Whats the rule when guns are drawn aimed to kill like the cops in the video?
Only a pussy or man looking to kill would shoot that kid. A 3inch knife, LOL..
Cops are supposed to put the safety of others, even possible perps above their own. Now it seems like if there's a chance a cop might even get scratched they take out their guns and shoot.
I hope they go to prison.
They won't.
I hope they go to prison.
They won't.
This is why I am an anarchist. I don't like how the world works, but I am not interested in deluding myself that it is ok.
Not anymore!
But seriously you'd think non fatal shit could be used, like a can of tear gas in the bus and taser him as he runs out crying like a bitch. Shouldn't shoot someone 9x for not following commands. Sadly mental health isn't really considered by police, lot of ill people get brutalized.
on topic of canadian cops, starts around 1:00 [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHyeK4wdYFc]Canada: Mentally ill man crawling when killed by Vancouver officer's shot - YouTube[/ame]
he did hit a cop, but if he needed to be shot 7 times, judge for yourself...
he did hit a cop, but if he needed to be shot 7 times, judge for yourself...
What are the disincentives that might dissuade cops from shooting? Are those disincentives sufficient? If they are not, is there any impetus to install those that are?
Remember, cops get paid with taxes. They don't need to win customers. They don't need to treat customers well. They will get paid no matter what.
If that's the problem, what's the solution?
And for a bit of levity in this thread, I present George Carlin...
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WJ_5OtyfDo"]George Carlin - Police Brutality - YouTube[/ame]
Not quite.
This kid was Arab (Syrian descent apparently, just like Steve Jobs). As you know, they're 100% American/Canadian when they do something good, they're Arab/Muslim when they don't. lol
This story is definitely not over.
A guy gets shot while armed with skittles and there's celebration when his killer doesn't even get a manslaughter charge.
Another guy (where the most innocent picture of him is him dressed like a wannabe gangster) who's carrying a knife on a bus and won't drop it gets shot, and it's a tragedy.
Sometimes I don't understand WF.
Another guy (where the most innocent picture of him is him dressed like a wannabe gangster) who's carrying a knife on a bus and won't drop it gets shot, and it's a tragedy.
Sometimes I don't understand WF.
I've heard that the UK media coverage on the Zimmerman trial is even more twisted than it is here.
I didn't spend much time worrying about it, although it's still dominating the news, but if you take the evidence at face value...
There had been multiple break-ins in Zimmerman's neighborhood, committed by young black males. Zimmerman had black relatives, was friends with black neighbors, tutored black children - if you look at his background the guy isn't racist.
He "profiled" Martin because he was acting strange, he was peeking into people's windows and Zimmerman had never seen him in the neighborhood before. He called the police to report it. He followed him but only to keep a line of site. When he lost site he was heading back to his truck.
At that point he was attacked by Martin, who was trained in MMA and had a long history of fighting. He was having his skull bashed by fists in the front and concrete in the back - for about 40 seconds straight.
At this point he's on the ground, basically defenseless, having his head smashed into concrete, blood choking him and blinding him, dude still beating him - I'd be in fear for my life too.
It wasn't until his shirt slid up and Martin saw the gun, went to grab it and said "You're gonna die tonight" that Zimmerman fired the single shot that killed Martin.
The physical evidence aligned with Zimmerman's story. Assuming it's all true, he had every right to shoot him, and showed considerable restraint not shooting him earlier, or firing off multiple rounds.
You could say he shouldn't have followed him. Maybe not, hindsight is 20/20. But following or being suspicious of someone isn't illegal. Physically attacking someone and smashing their head into concrete repeatedly is.
I'd shoot someone if I was in that position too. Anyway that whole trial was just an agenda pushed by the media, kids die in this country everyday, usually in cities where carrying a gun is illegal.
As for this video, I don't know the backstory, but if that kid was alone on the bus with only a knife I don't see how shooting him 9 times (or even once) is justified. I don't see an immediate threat, I could be wrong.
I guarantee that you won't see any of those cops on trial or crucified by the media though.
Ohhh, there we go. So he wasn't exactly a quiet college student, and there's a good chance him and the local cops in the area knew each other quite well. Who knows, maybe the cops even knew WHY he was flipping out, hence why they decided deadly force was authorized.
Many of you may not believe this, but the vast majority of cops don't goto work with hopes of killing someone that day.
Ok, you know what, I started writing a reply, but then I did some more research into the case. The women's jewellery Trayvon had at school in a bag with a screwdriver, plus the history of graffiti, Zimmerman's previous record and the fact that he had his hand stuck in his waistband (which admittedly, is a little iffy, as he seemed to have a hard time identifying what clothes he had on, seeing whether he was reaching for a gun would be pretty much impossible) has swayed me. I think that perhaps he deserved a very light manslaughter charge due to the following with a gun (since Trayvon no longer posed a threat) but I've definitely been swayed, and as you say, 20:20 hindsight.
As to the video, I'll leave the judgement on that until more evidence comes out, but it's fair to say at this point in time that he doesn't exactly look like a pinnacle of the community. We'll see though.
I'll leave my half typed original response in, since I've already typed it, so may as well.
As to the video, I'll leave the judgement on that until more evidence comes out, but it's fair to say at this point in time that he doesn't exactly look like a pinnacle of the community. We'll see though.
I'll leave my half typed original response in, since I've already typed it, so may as well.
I don't watch/read the media here, so can't comment, but from the tidbits I've heard, it's been similar to the US.
Fair enough, while the media did latch onto that, I never personally care about whether a crime is racially motivated or not. If Dresden goes to the border and shoots some people, I don't give a fuck if they're black, white or Mexican.
Zimmerman does not have to "look like a pinnacle of the community" in order to be acquitted of a crime for which there is insufficient evidence to prove guilt beyond a shadow of a doubt.
That is why many plaintiffs file civil suits, where the verdict rests on a "preponderance of the evidence" as opposed to "guilt beyond a shadow of a doubt." Zimmerman may again go on trial for murder if the feds want to take a shot where the state failed (yes, a sneaky way to get around the double jeopardy clause).
Joe, I'd like to know: are you familiar with how the U.S. criminal legal system works or are you speaking from ignorance? If the latter, why on earth would you do such a thing?
Huh? I was talking about the wannabe gangster in the OP, that's the only video that would be relevant.
Why he didn't drop the tiny ass knife he had? I have no idea. Why the cops needed to shoot him 9 times? I have no idea. Judgment suspended until more information is gained b/c my gut tells me there's a bigger story here.
RIP
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