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I don't have time for games but I'm coming up on a year with Ubuntu. Installed it as dual boot with Vista because Vista blows so bad. Haven't booted windows in 5 or 6 months. Haven't reinstalled, or had a virus or rebooted in a similar amount of time. Coincidence ?
 


Ubuntu is fucking awful. I'm not sure what gay ass games you're playing (probably minesweeper) but they don't work nearly as well in linux. Nor do graphic design apps like photoshop, etc. Gimp blows. There are tons of bugs, hardware support is awful, and there are tons of situations where you'll need to do tedious workarounds that just aren't necessary in windows. Sorry but just because someone took some hot girls and put ubuntu logos next to them doesn't make it a viable desktop OS, which it is definately not.

Also, running windows apps under wine is much less efficient than just running them in xp.

Have fun trying to fit square pegs into round holes while we're just getting our shit done just so you can think you're on the cutting edge of technology.

You have no idea what you're talking about. You think Windows is cutting edge? Nearly every new feature in Vista has existed in Linux and/or OS X for half a decade, and it's still not on par with the competition.

Hardware support is excellent, only exception are some old ATI cards and maybe wacky shit nobody uses like 3-way SLI.

The only games worth playing run *much* faster on Linux than they do on Windows, in my experience. Quake III (native) and Warcraft III/Starcraft (running on Cedega). But I don't suggest gamers run Linux for games.

there are tons of situations where you'll need to do tedious workarounds that just aren't necessary in windows.

Care to elaborate? The only OS I've ever had to do "tedious workarounds" on is Windows, and is the reason I stopped using that fischer price OS. You'd think installing Linux is tedious but it's as tedious as Windows if you count disabiling all the error messages, warnings, and tweaking the hell out of the OS to make it usable part of the installation, which it is (unless you download a hacked up version like Performance Edition XP).

If you do any sort of development (except 3d), you'll end up spending much more time hacking your way around in Windows than OS X or Linux.

Gimp can do anything Photoshop can, and for those that hate the multi window layout and shortcuts, there's Gimpshop. But power users and anyone with a dual screen would want the multi window layout anyway, which is the reason Photoshp uses this layout on OS X. MDIs are dead. Besides, you can run Photoshop just fine in Linux (crossover office).

There are alternatives for nearly everything. OpenOffice is fantastic both on Windows and Linux, and for anything that you absolutely must run on windowz you can just use virtualbox. sudo apt-get virtualbox, put in XP CD, and in 20 mins you're inside windows on your Linux desktop. I have dual screens and I can run windows XP full screen on my 2nd display inside Linux, if I need to (never).

Two things Linux sucks for is gaming, if you play DirectX9-10 games, and producing/recording music.

Have fun restarting your PC every 20 hours because it gets bogged down, and then watching colored squares for 5 hours as your PC defrags. Also be sure to buy twice as much RAM, you're gonna need it for all the anti spyware/anti virus apps you'll be running.
 
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You have no idea what you're talking about. You think Windows is cutting edge? Nearly every new feature in Vista has existed in Linux and/or OS X for half a decade, and it's still not on par with the competition.

Hardware support is excellent, only exception are some old ATI cards and maybe wacky shit nobody uses like 3-way SLI.

The only games worth playing run *much* faster on Linux than they do on Windows, in my experience. Quake III (native) and Warcraft III/Starcraft (running on Cedega). But I don't suggest gamers run Linux for games.



Care to elaborate? The only OS I've ever had to do "tedious workarounds" on is Windows, and is the reason I stopped using that fischer price OS. You'd think installing Linux is tedious but it's as tedious as Windows if you count disabiling all the error messages, warnings, and tweaking the hell out of the OS to make it usable part of the installation, which it is (unless you download a hacked up version like Performance Edition XP).

If you do any sort of development (except 3d), you'll end up spending much more time hacking your way around in Windows than OS X or Linux.

Gimp can do anything Photoshop can, and for those that hate the multi window layout and shortcuts, there's Gimpshop. But power users and anyone with a dual screen would want the multi window layout anyway, which is the reason Photoshp uses this layout on OS X. MDIs are dead. Besides, you can run Photoshop just fine in Linux (crossover office).

There are alternatives for nearly everything. OpenOffice is fantastic both on Windows and Linux, and for anything that you absolutely must run on windowz you can just use virtualbox. sudo apt-get virtualbox, put in XP CD, and in 20 mins you're inside windows on your Linux desktop. I have dual screens and I can run windows XP full screen on my 2nd display inside Linux, if I need to (never).

Two things Linux sucks for is gaming, if you play DirectX9-10 games, and producing/recording music.

Have fun restarting your PC every 20 hours because it gets bogged down, and then watching colored squares for 5 hours as your PC defrags. Also be sure to buy twice as much RAM, you're gonna need it for all the anti spyware/anti virus apps you'll be running.

"fischer price OS" Hilarious. :xmas-smiley-016:

But by the way, just because GIMP can do everything Photoshop can doesn't mean it's good. Yahoo can do pretty much everything Google can, but Yahoo is still shit.
 
I rarely if ever have issues with my 3 xp boxes and my laptop. They all run perfectly fine, at speed, with dozens of windows open across multiple monitors. I play the latest games (like Starcraft or Warcraft III should be some measure of the only games worth playing?). I don't get viruses, or spyware.

On the other hand, my business partner can't keep his laptop running more than a few weeks it seems without some problem or another, be it a hardware issue, hard drive corruption, software failure, virus or spyware.

It's not the OS, it's the operator. Some people just weren't made to use computers.
 
You have no idea what you're talking about. You think Windows is cutting edge? Nearly every new feature in Vista has existed in Linux and/or OS X for half a decade, and it's still not on par with the competition.

Hardware support is excellent, only exception are some old ATI cards and maybe wacky shit nobody uses like 3-way SLI.

The only games worth playing run *much* faster on Linux than they do on Windows, in my experience. Quake III (native) and Warcraft III/Starcraft (running on Cedega). But I don't suggest gamers run Linux for games.



Care to elaborate? The only OS I've ever had to do "tedious workarounds" on is Windows, and is the reason I stopped using that fischer price OS. You'd think installing Linux is tedious but it's as tedious as Windows if you count disabiling all the error messages, warnings, and tweaking the hell out of the OS to make it usable part of the installation, which it is (unless you download a hacked up version like Performance Edition XP).

If you do any sort of development (except 3d), you'll end up spending much more time hacking your way around in Windows than OS X or Linux.

Gimp can do anything Photoshop can, and for those that hate the multi window layout and shortcuts, there's Gimpshop. But power users and anyone with a dual screen would want the multi window layout anyway, which is the reason Photoshp uses this layout on OS X. MDIs are dead. Besides, you can run Photoshop just fine in Linux (crossover office).

There are alternatives for nearly everything. OpenOffice is fantastic both on Windows and Linux, and for anything that you absolutely must run on windowz you can just use virtualbox. sudo apt-get virtualbox, put in XP CD, and in 20 mins you're inside windows on your Linux desktop. I have dual screens and I can run windows XP full screen on my 2nd display inside Linux, if I need to (never).

Two things Linux sucks for is gaming, if you play DirectX9-10 games, and producing/recording music.

Have fun restarting your PC every 20 hours because it gets bogged down, and then watching colored squares for 5 hours as your PC defrags. Also be sure to buy twice as much RAM, you're gonna need it for all the anti spyware/anti virus apps you'll be running.


Spoken like a true Dollar Menunaire...

I for one use the right tool for the job, Nix or Win32. The only relevance to your post is that you obviously have spent MANY hours fucking around with Ubuntu to get it configured how you want, also known as NOT MAKING A FUCKING DIME.

Split test campaigns, not your fucking OS.
 
Bluebuddha might have had some good points. But I'm a designer and I can tell you that GIMP sucks hard.

I even tried to like it.
 
Most versions of photoshop run under linux, sometimes with the minor annoyances, but they work.
 
I installed Fedora a couple years ago. It got borked in an upgrade, but if it hadn't, I probably would have made the move to it almost full time.

We all own multiple PCs. There is no need to have Windows on all of them, and Linux is very fast and light, which allows it to keep old machines useful.
 
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I'm with you fellas.
 
You have no idea what you're talking about. You think Windows is cutting edge? Nearly every new feature in Vista has existed in Linux and/or OS X for half a decade, and it's still not on par with the competition.

Hardware support is excellent, only exception are some old ATI cards and maybe wacky shit nobody uses like 3-way SLI.

The only games worth playing run *much* faster on Linux than they do on Windows, in my experience. Quake III (native) and Warcraft III/Starcraft (running on Cedega). But I don't suggest gamers run Linux for games.

As a linux user for over a decade, i know what the fuck i'm talking about. Why would you bring up vista when nobody uses vista? We use XP, a relatively stable OS that gets the job done and is compatable with pretty much every piece of hardware out there. When you can't even get linux to work with extremely popular wireless internet cards, there's a problem. Quale 3 was released NINE FUCKING YEARS AGO you retard. Go show me some ubuntu benchmarks for cod5.. Meanwhile i'll be actually playing it.

Gimp blows, and it simply cannot compete with photoshop like you say. Also, if you want to run it on linux (requiring a tedious workaround, in fact there are lengthy tutorials on how to do it) it doesn't run close to as well as in xp on the same hardware.

For you, you have to learn shit like how to use wine, and how to use command line to use your computer, while for me, I can sit down and just use shit, and it works properly the first time. And I don't have to worry about letting my girl do stuff cause she knows how to use windows, etc.
You, on the other hand, force yourself to use an inferior OS for the sake of thinking you're somehow edgy. Might as well grow a neckbeard and get some birkenstocks and start listening to dave matthews band, buy an ipod and a macbook pro. If you're going to be a retarded fanboi, might as well make it for a product that people recognize and actually has enough market share to matter.
 
Ok here is the main reason why I swtiched over.

Because I do shit loads of programming in PHP, Perl, and Python - all pretty much native to the linux (unix) style environments, I've always had issues running WAMP with windows and trying to get MYSQL to work correctly and I always used to fuck around hardcore.

On top of that my vista installation was getting slower and slower, clogged up with grap, spyware, ect... The fucking thing was at the point where it would randomly restart itself.

So I moved over to Ubuntu (Linux) and in only the past few days I can easily see both sides of the story now.

Depending on what you do with your computer and what hardware your using I can easily see it being 10 times easier for some people to keep running windows (Especially for gaming)

The one thing I see a lot of people here arguing about is GIMP, you all make it sound like GIMP is the only photo editor you can run in Ubuntu, there are tons of much better ones out there (And yes I agree GIMP sucks).

As for me personally this is what I've done, I run Ubuntu as my main OS because its very easy to get MYSQL, PHP, PYTHON, PERL to play nicely and to run smoothly (I don't like to spend time fucking with installs I like to spend it programming my projects).

So in that retro-spect Ubuntu and some programming editors (with debuggers) work way the fuck better then anything I've ever used windows for.

However I don't like GIMP, I don't know GIMP, and I have only ever used Photoshop CS2 and have pretty much came a pro with it and don't like to use anything else (Call me picky if you want).

So this is what I've done, I used VirtualBox to run XP inside of Ubuntu, in XP I don't even have a internet connection, all I use it for is my offline-games and my photoshop installation.

From there I've linked my folders so they can be read/write on both systems and I've installed the MS fonts for Ubuntu so things look somewhat closer to the windows design when I'm done coding, when I absolutely need the internet on XP, I click a single button and there it is.

That might seem like fucking around but it was super simple and quick to do.

So I think it really all depends on what you use your computer for, what your hardware is like, and your personal prefernces.

Linux is definately not for everyone and with that said Windows is the same way, they may have the market majority and be much more stable in certain areas but they again are not for everyone, which just leaves the MAC and well we will leave that for another discussion.
 
Lot's of the culture will have the same view Cakes does. Why learn something new? Although as I like to say, it took you a while to learn how to use window proficiently also. To be like: OMG there's a command line option and fuck this would be so much easier with windows! (windows has a command line too, guess you never used it) If you actually take the time to to learn the shit it's actually pretty slick. I also think Ubuntu is a much more protective os than windows is.

Wine will mature and get better and bitching because some app or game doesn't run under linux is bullshit. That's like hearing someone bitching about windows apps not running on mac os, duh. They wheren't meant to run on linux so if they do at all, it's just a bonus. No reason you can't dual boot.

Frankly I have had very few problems with Ubuntu, and if you can use windows or mac os you can use Ubuntu.

And hell I dual boot because if I'm playing games in windows I'm not doing development work in linux. However to say that the OS is a peice of garbage is moronic. I would love to hear what "extremely popular wireless internet cards" don't work with linux.

edit: PS bluebuddha it's sudo apt-get -y install virtualbox - you don't need the "-y" but fuck the prompt to install.
 
Rage9 - You're asking someone that already knows XP to learn Unix, why? I'd rather be learning how to do media buys, or how to set up tracking better, or anything else that has direct contribution to my net worth.

I was *nix user for about 8 months, trying hard to like it, and trying hard to see the merits of it. The biggest advantages were ease of use when doing web programming apache/python/mysql. Command line also rocked. Updates were easy.

Everything else basically sucked ass.
-Install was a bitch. Mad driver issues on my laptop. Spent over 3 hrs setting up my graphics stuff correctly.
-Power hibernation/sleep problems with Wubi. When I accidentally left my laptop on battery overnight, everything died. That's when I swore against Ubuntu and switched to XP. Maybe it was user error, but I found that a lot of people got fucked by this.
-Slow start up time: 15 seconds (XP) vs 45 seconds (Ubuntu full install).
-OpenOffice blows. hard. Write is an unintuitive serious piece of shit, and is the retarded stepchild of Word. btw, you can look at Word documents ok, but exporting them and keeping everything in format are mutually exclusive. PowerPoint is light years ahead of Present. If you're making documents for anything professional, why would you bother using OpenOffice's second rate tools?
-Gaming, XP beats *nix hands down.

Until I see some software or feature set on Unix that I can't live without, I'm sticking to ole faithful, XP.
 
Once a year I give Ubuntu a try via a dual boot on my laptop.
Once a year it takes hours to get wireless working properly.
Once a year I wipe that partition out.

This year while Ubuntu was repartitioning my drive it managed to utterly destroy the windows install, so I decided to stick with it as long as possible. After about 2 weeks of endless fuck arounds to get things working I said fuck it and went back.

Ubuntu may be a great OS, but it is nowhere near close for primetime use.
 
I rarely if ever have issues with my 3 xp boxes and my laptop. They all run perfectly fine, at speed, with dozens of windows open across multiple monitors.

You also paid (indirectly) $1200 for that software not including the cost of the productivity stuff (adobe suite, office, ...)

It's not the OS, it's the operator. Some people just weren't made to use computers.

That couldn't be more of a true statement

I personally run all 3 ... osx running on an imac for graphics, windows for primary & ubuntu on the laptop for everything else.

FWIW I prefer the windows but only because I've been brainwashed since day one. If I'd started with linux, the learning curve would have been a non issue. OSX is my least favorite of the 3

Another thing, you fuckers need to stop gaming and get back to work.
 
Once a year I give Ubuntu a try via a dual boot on my laptop.
Once a year it takes hours to get wireless working properly.
Once a year I wipe that partition out.

This year while Ubuntu was repartitioning my drive it managed to utterly destroy the windows install, so I decided to stick with it as long as possible. After about 2 weeks of endless fuck arounds to get things working I said fuck it and went back.

Ubuntu may be a great OS, but it is nowhere near close for primetime use.

funny, i had the exact same experience with Ubuntu.

all my workstations are windows. everything works, period.
 
Rage9 - You're asking someone that already knows XP to learn Unix, why? I'd rather be learning how to do media buys, or how to set up tracking better, or anything else that has direct contribution to my net worth.

I was *nix user for about 8 months, trying hard to like it, and trying hard to see the merits of it. The biggest advantages were ease of use when doing web programming apache/python/mysql. Command line also rocked. Updates were easy.

Everything else basically sucked ass.
-Install was a bitch. Mad driver issues on my laptop. Spent over 3 hrs setting up my graphics stuff correctly.
-Power hibernation/sleep problems with Wubi. When I accidentally left my laptop on battery overnight, everything died. That's when I swore against Ubuntu and switched to XP. Maybe it was user error, but I found that a lot of people got fucked by this.
-Slow start up time: 15 seconds (XP) vs 45 seconds (Ubuntu full install).
-OpenOffice blows. hard. Write is an unintuitive serious piece of shit, and is the retarded stepchild of Word. btw, you can look at Word documents ok, but exporting them and keeping everything in format are mutually exclusive. PowerPoint is light years ahead of Present. If you're making documents for anything professional, why would you bother using OpenOffice's second rate tools?
-Gaming, XP beats *nix hands down.

Until I see some software or feature set on Unix that I can't live without, I'm sticking to ole faithful, XP.

Yeah heaven forbid you learn something new. That's a shocker, right? As Microsoft showed us [time and time again] with Vista, 2000, NT, and early XP, among others [if you remember], there needs to be alternatives.

I'm confident that I could show people the ropes to Ubuntu and they would love it, and throw that piece of shit Windows [well, vista anyways] away. I have grown up dissecting Microsoft operating systems since the days of DOS. That may give me an edge.

Anyways I want to reply to some the things you said in order you posted them:
- I have installed Ubuntu on a few different configurations ranging from very old [my ghetto laptop that's 6 years old] to very new [my recently new desktop 2.4 mhz quad core intel with an ATI HD 4850 graphics card] and not ever had one problem with graphics. Shocking to me to say the least. Ubuntu even downloaded my ati drivers and installed Catalyst.
-I have tried the hibernation stuff, worked for me personally, got not much to say about it. Never had a problem personally, can't say I worked with it a ton though. Kind of set and forget.
-Can't comment so much about the boot time vs XP, I duel boot Vista [because of DX10 for games] but Ubuntu boots equally as quick as Vista, again if your bitching about your os loading in less than a minute somethings fucked up. Your just looking for a shitty reason there.
-I haven't used Present personally, but that's a small part of OpenOffice. Frankly there is nothing wrong with the word processing capabilities, or the "excel" like spread sheets, works like a charm. Nothing second rate about them, they work incredibly well IMHO. Please elaborate, give me a real example. Considering all microsoft products are normally bloated and broken, I can't logically think that MS office is awesome. Why should you pay for that shit anyways?
-Again I'm not disputing the fact that Windows is better for gaming, the api's and all that shit are developed for WINDOWS. Your beating a dead horse. We know this, if any games work under linux because of wine, that's just an extra win. Games are developed in windows #1 because that the largest consumer base #2 Direct X. Not hard to figure out. Because some other operating system can't play games from another operating system [when they where developed for another OS] that just must mean it's a piece of shit right? Wow, really?!

I can't constitute how many endless hours, and it's in the high hundreds at least [over several years], that I have spend on problems with windows over the years. And hell XP had it's problems too early on, but you don't remember that, you don't make fun of a blue screen of death for a reason. XP was released in what, 2001? It's about 8 fucking years old, better work by now, it had plenty of problems when released - but you don't remember because that was 8 years ago. Up until SP2 there where still some major errors - and still are [like how windows can never get right how long it takes to copy or delete large amounts of files, just an example].

I'm trying to bring an opinion to the table fom a very long time Window user [I started using Ubuntu about 5 months ago], and to let you know that this OS has some balls, and can do pretty much everything [except gaming] just as well, if not better than Windows.

There are some that will never see that, and I understand that, but I would want you to use it for like a month and tell me which one you like better, once you know how to handle Linux. There is a small learning curve for some stuff, but I have never - EVER - been not able to find an answer to my problem using google. Ubuntu has so much documentation it's crazy.
 
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The other night I had to do something that I never though I'd have to do with Ubuntu. The new Intrepid Ibex release is so wretchedly bad so I had to backup my files and reinstall Hardy Heron.
 
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