No wonder you have neg rep.
You don't sell a system, lose rep in the industry, and become old news if you know how to persuade and sell properly. Shoe understands the principles needed to make the sheep who bought his products stay, learn, and have a sense of accomplishment (even if they never make a dime).
Basic NLP and persuasion at it's best.
Shoe, I know, made big money with ringtones and he's a smart guy. I'm sure he's still doing alright. As for Jonathon I don't know him, but regardless hopefully he understands pleasing the MMO market is a thousand times harder than pleasing any other market.
People who do well in the MMO market - whether Shoe, Frank Kern, Mike Fil-Simms, etc - love the niche. They honestly do. And although they all sell shit, shit that is probably incredibly basic and full of fail, they do it because they enjoy it. Not because it's easy.
So much more money can be made through other niches, where those who buy aren't relying on your product, or the product you're promoting, to change their financial life forever. Think about it.
Anyway good luck bros,