Went to a rally today

rally- lets preach the pro's of our system, while ignoring the con's, and call out the oppositions con's while ignoring their pro's!
 


seocracy said:
organized religion is for suckers, and so are the ten commandments......

if you believe in that shit, you might as well worship Tolkien.....its all the same stuff.
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couldnt have said it better myself. i believe there is something greater then us that we could not possibly imagine, but organized religion is bs
 
papajohn56 said:
I'm not atheist, but the problem arises from a few things for me:

"Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy" - This is a personal thing. The state of SC has laws preventing people from buying alcohol on Sunday, laws preventing people from buying anything "non food or medicinal" before 1:30 PM, etc. This is a waste and should be the choice of the business owner. If you choose not to shop, so be it, but it shouldn't be forced on business owners.

"You shall not commit adultery" - Again, this is a personal thing. The state should make no laws about what consenting adults do in the bedroom.

"You shall not worship false gods before me" - Not the job of the state to police what people worship, or don't worship.

"You shall not covet your neighbor's property" - Well better close this forum.

"You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God" - Not up to the state to decide what is a 'wrongful use'.

It's not that I disagree with the Ten Commandments, it's that I disagree with the state being involved in them. The only other disagreement I have is how many Christians (largely protestant) will pick and choose sections of the Old Testament to follow; i.e., The Ten Commandments vs Leviticus.
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My whole point is isn't it a better world when people don't kill, don't commit adultry, don't worship money and matrial items? Even if you don't believe in God, you can still see where following the ten commandments would make for a better civilization....or you can just follow the liberal commandment. IF IT FEELS GOOD DO IT.

We as a nation have prospered for hundreds of years with MOST of the country observing Judeo Christian values. Morally bankrupt societies don't last.
 
popeye said:
My whole point is isn't it a better world when people don't kill, don't commit adultry, don't worship money and matrial items? Even if you don't believe in God, you can still see where following the ten commandments would make for a better civilization....or you can just follow the liberal commandment. IF IT FEELS GOOD DO IT.

We as a nation have prospered for hundreds of years with MOST of the country observing Judeo Christian values. Morally bankrupt societies don't last.
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Of course. But it's still not the state's responsibility to enforce these things, let people do it on their own. People have a greater impact on the lives of friends than some government agency. If your friend is an alcoholic, you should take the steps to help them, not say "fuck it the state will do it"
 
papajohn56 said:
Religious involvement in governmental process is part of the reason the pilgrims left England for the US. They were persecuted by a state-sponsored religion. Separation of Church and State runs both ways - to keep religion out of the state, and the state out of religion.
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Its also the reason the middle east is completely fucked and why the US currently has such a problem with islamic fascism.

Of course xenophobes can't quite figure this out.
 
seocracy said:
organized religion is for suckers, and so are the ten commandments......

if you believe in that shit, you might as well worship Tolkien.....its all the same stuff.
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The whole circle jerk, reddit, hate Christians thing is really old. So you see no value in someone striving to follow the ten commandments?

Could one "wana be athiest" please explain why they are so mad. Did a Jehova Witness wake them up one morning or something? Did a priest ass rape you as a child?

I believe buddism to be a false religeon. I think it's silly to worship women with cow heads and shit, but I don't go around calling them all idiots.
 
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conv3rsion said:
Its also the reason the middle east is completely fucked and why the US currently has such a problem with islamic fascism.

Of course xenophobes can't quite figure this out.
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exactly. Religion in the Government is a slippery slope - it's best just to keep it out. Once you have prayer and the ten commandments in, then you slowly move to requiring specific Christian prayer at official meetings, then you require the Bible be placed on all government official desks, then they start to move to the scare tactics and impose more laws based on specific sects of Christianity. It goes on from there, until you reach Iran levels.
 
seocracy said:
organized religion is for suckers, and so are the ten commandments......

if you believe in that shit, you might as well worship Tolkien.....its all the same stuff.
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Or L. Ron Hubbard...another science fiction writer who has managed to get some traction. Oh fuck, the Scientology Swat Team is here again!!!
 
papajohn56 said:
Of course. But it's still not the state's responsibility to enforce these things, let people do it on their own. People have a greater impact on the lives of friends than some government agency. If your friend is an alcoholic, you should take the steps to help them, not say "fuck it the state will do it"
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agreed, but I don't see anything wrong with a country realizing their religeous heritage. Their is always going to be religeon and without Christianity, another religeon will fill the space. I would rather pray to Jesus than Allah.
 
papajohn56 said:
exactly. Religion in the Government is a slippery slope - it's best just to keep it out. Once you have prayer and the ten commandments in, then you slowly move to requiring specific Christian prayer at official meetings, then you require the Bible be placed on all government official desks, then they start to move to the scare tactics and impose more laws based on specific sects of Christianity. It goes on from there, until you reach Iran levels.
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they can't see it though. I hate HATE hippies. But I hate social conservatives more. They both try to erode my liberty in different ways. And the ones that call for small government but then want to abandon states rights because it might lead to gay marriage or legal marijuana or some other shit that people do in their own homes and that they can't handle drive me absolutely bat shit crazy.
 
popeye said:
agreed, but I don't see anything wrong with a country realizing their religeous heritage. Their is always going to be religeon and without Christianity, another religeon will fill the space. I would rather pray to Jesus than Allah.
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no, you would rather christianity be the state sponsored religion than islam. I would rather there not be one. that's the difference.
 
hellblazer said:
Right, except Harvard, Yale, etc.. used to be Christian schools. Just like Congress used to give each new congressman a Bible. It all used to be Christian. This whole nation used to be. Separation of church and state was meant to prevent religious persecution, not what it's been twisted to mean today where the atheists eradicate every last remnant of our cultural history from the public square. That's how we end up with the typical American who has no knowledge of what we used to be. You say they should go in the corner and not bother anyone, well to them it looks like YOU are the usurper.
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I'm not going to argue with you because I think religion debates are pointless.

papajohn56 said:
It's not that I disagree with the Ten Commandments, it's that I disagree with the state being involved in them. The only other disagreement I have is how many Christians (largely protestant) will pick and choose sections of the Old Testament to follow; i.e., The Ten Commandments vs Leviticus.
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seocracy said:
organized religion is for suckers, and so are the ten commandments......

if you believe in that shit, you might as well worship Tolkien.....its all the same stuff.
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Agreed
 
conv3rsion said:
they can't see it though. I hate HATE hippies. But I hate social conservatives more. They both try to erode my liberty in different ways. And the ones that call for small government but then want to abandon states rights because it might lead to gay marriage or legal marijuana or some other shit that people do in their own homes and that they can't handle drive me absolutely bat shit crazy.
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Why do you hate conservatives more than liberals? Liberals want to take away your monies!

I think Matt Stone of South Park got it right: "I hate conservatives, but I really fucking hate liberals" South Park Republican - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
popeye said:
agreed, but I don't see anything wrong with a country realizing their religeous heritage. Their is always going to be religeon and without Christianity, another religeon will fill the space. I would rather pray to Jesus than Allah.
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conv3rsion said:
no, you would rather christianity be the state sponsored religion than islam. I would rather there not be one. that's the difference.
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to people bashing religion, I don't get that. evangelizing atheism is just as bad as evangelizing islam, christianity, etc. I'm against the ignorance of this crowd, not religion as a whole. Though I do think it's more of a personal thing, rather than organized large crowd thing
 
papajohn56 said:
to people bashing religion, I don't get that. evangelizing atheism is just as bad as evangelizing islam, christianity, etc. I'm against the ignorance of this crowd, not religion as a whole. Though I do think it's more of a personal thing, rather than organized large crowd thing
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Point understood and appreciated. I just have a real problem with my country / planet being governed and unduly guided by a bronze age mentality. No problem with live and let live, just asking that that the fundies don't get in the way. I reside in the same state as you do. All for getting along and warm fuzzies but gotta have that separation of church and state.
 
popeye said:
Western law is based off the ten commandments. While wouldn't you want to display something so significant.

"Thou shalt not kill" - sounds pretty resonable to me.

The country is in trouble when we can give foreign terrorist captured on a foreign battlefield the rights shared by U.S. citizens, yet we can't display a symbol that inspired our system of laws.

Why are athiest so mad?. Why do athiest cry over a concrete representation of the ten commandments. I could understand if it said THOU SHALT NOT BE A FAGGOT or something but I mean who the hell can argue with the damn ten commandments.
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I agree. I'm a self-hating atheist. I've never met a more angry and nasty bunch of fuckin assholes than atheists. They are like a bunch of emo faggots mixed with mini-hitlers. All the fuck they do is bitch and moan abotu retarded shit like "WTF HOLY SHIT IT SAYZ GOD ON OUR MONIES!!1! WTFBBQ!!". Meanwhile you don't hear a fucking PEEP out of them about muslims, they just attack Jews and Christians all day long.

Just STFU.
 
These people want the ten commandments to be put up in a court house and yet they back sending troops to far away lands to breach "thou shalt not kill"


And why the fuck are the ten commandments written as "thou shalt not....." what sort of fucking language is that? did the people of 2000 years ago all walk around talking Chaucerian English or something?
 
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