Yeah, got that. I'm pretty familiar
The terminology was just a bit...amateurish ....at best.Missiles don't bomb people. Well, actually cruise missiles can but....the point is the OP of that quoted comment has some weird ass phrasology.
Attack On Military Base In Texas By Multiple Gunmen - 7 Dead, 20 Injured
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Yeah, got that. I'm pretty familiar
The terminology was just a bit...amateurish ....at best.Missiles don't bomb people. Well, actually cruise missiles can but....the point is the OP of that quoted comment has some weird ass phrasology.
I have multiple lawyers and CPA's - trust me, I know.
That said - choosing to stay here as a citizen IS a choice - even if it is the default one.
You say 'probably' because you're making an assumption.
The families I personally know, were outraged when news cameras started plastering caskets all over NBC news.
Leave it to the NBC douchebags to take their freedoms for granted.
haha yeah i remember watching that, obama and his film crew were going into his private helicopter arrogant and aloof as fuck to salute a casket.
Your information is wrong.
There are many more reasons to al-Queda's attack on September 11th than I'll describe here, but the 3 major motivations are:
1. The United States, through the CIA, aided the Taliban in its war against the Soviet Union, going so far not only to supply arms but also to instruct in guerilla tactics. The Taliban successfully repelled the Soviets and after the fall of the USSR the US failed to deliver upon aid that was promised, either implicitly or interpretatively, for infrastructural development of Afghanistan in successive presidencies. Boiled down: We helped the Taliban destroy the USSR's attempt to capture Afghanistan and their own country but didn't bother to help them rebuild. This became a source of resentment and a shortcoming with reverberations throughout the Muslim community far beyond the Stan.
2. The US has a long history of being a pro-Israeli nation, much to the malign of Islamic countries who feel that the Israelites are responsible for the decimation of a people and it's culture (the Palestinians).
3. The US has only one interest in the Middle East beyond the preservation of Israel and it's transparent. Despite the fact that Big Oil Corporations are the most profitable in the history of human industry, well over 90% of the given population in any MENA country lives in squalor and poverty (while most of the profit goes to the US). Classism and perceived inequity will fuel a fire in young men like little else.
The attack on the USS Cole was unprovoked. It was not a 'reason' why we were attacked on September 11th, it was a warning of things to come.
I believe he only found one family that granted permission. Either way, it was a little sketchy and especially timed the way it was, during the peak of criticism over his hesitation on the Afghanistan decision.
Exactly. I see it more like we're living off of what they provide for us. I love those guys, even popeye(I think he said he was a soldier).
I could give you a history lesson but don't want to turn this thread into that. So I'll settle with -repping you, asshole.
I'm repped to the hilt. Someone must be +repping him for it. Not that it means anything.
We don't owe anybody anything. We didn't force them to accept our aid, either in the form of training or weapons. They saw it as "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". Without us, they would have been mincemeat and they knew it.
To say that they were then pissed because we didn't help them rebuild their country after we helped them gain independence is absurd. We could have taken their country over; we could have destroyed them. We didn't owe them a single thing, and only did it because we were fighting a proxy war against the USSR. To cite that as a primary or even secondary motivation is ludicrous.
Generalization. All 'Islamic countries' don't feel the Israelis are responsble for the 'decimation' of a people/culture. That's propaganda many of their mullahs dispense in mosques throughout the ME. To then add a secondary responsibility onto a flawed foundation becomes even more ridiculous. Maybe we should start sending suicide bombers to Russia since they're allied with Iran, or start bombing China because they help N. Korea.
After all, many here think Iran is responsible for the IED's that kill our soldiers in Iraq every day. What should stop us from going after a 'pro-Iran' nation?
You cite these reasons under the guise of "Oh, this is just what they believe" without once stating how absurd they are. I can't believe I'm hearing jihadi apologists mere hours after an attack they're probably celebrating.
They're not poor because of us. If you think Big Bad Oil is making evil 'profits', you should see the kind of dough the Islamic nations are bringing in. But the people aren't getting any of that money. The elite at the top keep all the wealth, and then gin up the disaffected through their anti-US propaganda in the mosques. It's an easy bait-and-switch. All dictators do this. They deflect anger against somebody else so nobody notices they're the ones causing all the problems.
What people don't understand is that there's a concerted effort by certain elements in society to 'Islamify' the world. Now, you can downplay or attempt to minimize the influence of those elements, but what we just saw was a prime example of its effectiveness.
They excel in the type of propaganda this nut was spouting. He might have acted alone, but he needed somebody to water his ideological ideas. Somebody was producing the propaganda he was consuming so voraciously and then believing. He was finding a solid base of support for his beliefs that killing random American soldiers in Texas was akin to 'saving' his innocent Islamic brethren.
The danger in the kind of shit you spout is that it has exactly the intended effect they want. They want us to blame ourselves for this violence. If only we change, this will stop. They want us to think there is actual justification for these lunatics ideas. An equivalent event occurred in Spain. A couple Islamic radcals killed a bunch of people, the people blamed themselves, and Spain suddenly had an elected leader who had promised to stop 'provoking' the 'Islamic world' and pulled out of Iraq. Pretty effective.
This guy is the tip of the iceberg. What you don't see is the vast ideological support network he had, feeding and fertilizing his insanity until he finally became ripe to pull the trigger. This wasn't a 'lone nut'. It was a designed event.
*high five*
@hellblazer While I agree with almost everything you're saying, just because it seems logical / rational to you, doesn't mean that's the perception on the other end. We're talking about extremists.
I think the things phillian said are the root cause of a lot of the hatred towards our country in the Muslim world. Justified? Of course not. But I definitely believe they are contributing factors.
I think the things phillian said are the root cause of a lot of the hatred towards our country in the Muslim world. Justified? Of course not. But I definitely believe they are contributing factors.
I am not sympathizing with Islamofacists. I was merely identifying what were their likely motivations for the attack. Nothing more, nothing less.
I certainly don't condone their attacks, their violence or their rationale. I am a military school graduate, was a graduate student in Middle Eastern Studies in the Middle East, have lost friends to this conflict in IZ and was on spring break during the bombing in Dahab in 2006.
Needless to say I am not a fan of anyone who attacks the US.
I felt no need to state my opinion on their motivations because I assumed, on a forum based in the United States, condemnation would be implicit.
This is the Internet, so I don't take what ignorant people say too seriously. Please, for your sake, don't speak this shit off the net, in front of a Marine like myself (or any other serviceman for that matter).
I assume that you are probably smart enough to know to keep your terrorist apologist pie hole shut in real life.
If they were outraged then I doubt they were part of the over 50% who have made the choice to allow the media to photograph them. The caskets are coming back all the time, yet how often are they actually shown on NBC?