see shawn and jon thats how computer illiterate I am..just like my spelling...
Blogger and 5 Star Afilliate Programs Bashing WF members
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see shawn and jon thats how computer illiterate I am..just like my spelling...
Yes, it sure could be. There are plenty of high level execs who, when they were 17, 18, 19 years old did stupid things and got a criminal record for it.
On the other hand, there are probably several times as many guys my age that wear paper hats at their jobs because some self-rightous asshole fucked up their lives early on and they got booted out of school.
A criminal record, believe it or not, is easier to deal with later than trying to explain to someone whose an alumni benefactor and a "ring knocker" why you got booted out of school.
The "code of honor" you mention goes back to WAY before the "gangstas." I'm 50 years old ya little puke and it predates me by centuries! Piss on you again for referring to ANY of us as "gangstas!"
It's not about any code of honor, it's all about being a stand-up guy.
The kid fucked you and, like Jon said, you fucked him back bigger. My "code of honor" would have required me to fuck you back again. How long ago was all this? Maybe the kid isn't done fucking you back. I'd take a quick glance over my shoulder once in a while if I were you.
I'm surprised that I'm the first to note that Shawn can't spell "numbskull".
numskull - Definitions from Dictionary.com
I was responding to an earlier post - I didn't bring up gangstas.
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All the other bullshit aside the bottom line is
IF THE ADVERTISER DOESN'T MAKE MONEY, DON'T DO IT.....
If torrent traffic converts for the advertiser then by all means spam the fuck out of it. If you expect to get paid and leave the advertiser or network high and dry find something else to do.
All the rest of this is total bs. Shawn I believe it was wrong of you to get the kid in trouble. I'd have frozen his account and probably not paid him. But at the same time why would you let him run traffic to your offer for that period of time if it wasn't converting on your end. I know you're a bright guy and HAVE to believe you have scripts that send you msgs when things are out of the ordinary. Fraud detection is the number 1 job of Affiliate Manager/Network Manger.
The one Good thing Shawn said while he was looking down upon everyone talking like he was GOD was that you should talk to your affiliate managers and find out if what you're doing is working for the advertiser as well as yourself. If it is do more of it, I'm the last person to talk about ethical SEO as the token to your left would tell you. But that's cause I can't stand POMPUS ASS WEBMASTERS that think they're better then everyone else.
IF THE ADVERTISER DOESN'T MAKE MONEY, DON'T DO IT.....
If torrent traffic converts for the advertiser then by all means spam the fuck out of it. If you expect to get paid and leave the advertiser or network high and dry find something else to do.
All the rest of this is total bs. Shawn I believe it was wrong of you to get the kid in trouble. I'd have frozen his account and probably not paid him. But at the same time why would you let him run traffic to your offer for that period of time if it wasn't converting on your end. I know you're a bright guy and HAVE to believe you have scripts that send you msgs when things are out of the ordinary. Fraud detection is the number 1 job of Affiliate Manager/Network Manger.
The one Good thing Shawn said while he was looking down upon everyone talking like he was GOD was that you should talk to your affiliate managers and find out if what you're doing is working for the advertiser as well as yourself. If it is do more of it, I'm the last person to talk about ethical SEO as the token to your left would tell you. But that's cause I can't stand POMPUS ASS WEBMASTERS that think they're better then everyone else.
In this post you demonstrate your ability to not sound like an annoying douche, please continue along this line from now on, and my perception of you as a fucking annoying person might... change.
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...wtf? That has to be THE MOST ASSHAT STATMENT I've heard all week, INCLUDING everything BYA and SC have said. :repuke:
First of all, don't inject politics into a non-political debate unless it's in sarcasm.
Second of all, you have it backwards. The left-wing supports PRIVACY, even if it means letting some crimes go unsolved. The RIGHT WING supports authoritarianism (aka the 'morals police': injecting church into state, judging what kind of sexuality is immoral, violating communications laws to put citizens under surveillance in order to 'stop terrorism,' spying on your neighbors, 'If you're not guilty then you have nothing to hide,' etc).
Whatever side you're on, please know what the fuck you're talking about.
Thank you.
I went back and re-read that. Wow. Do you wear a Stop Snitchin' T-shirt and have a "My Kid Beat Up Your Honors Kid" bumper sticker on your truck, too?
Don't get me wrong--my philosophy is all about CYA. Distributing content that should be free anyway is hardly an excuse to wage a vengeful campaign against some poor kid who's just finished puberty. Collins, being an affiliate marketer yourself, it's a bit hypocritical to stand on a soapbox when the entire market is about mental manipulation. That's what advertising IS. Whitehat/blackhat comparisons are too narrow-minded. Read Eli's blog.
It's fucking pointless to go into a longwinded rant about which businesses benefit from torrents and which don't, so I'll just say that I support P2P even though I'm technically an artist. But that doesn't mean bullying kids in school because they had morals and you didn't is cool. Attitude check, anyone?
This was back in early 2001 - I didn't have anything but my eyes to try and detect fraud.
Actually, that's not exactly true. There is an authoritarian right and there is an authoritarian left. For example, we have cultural conservatives on the Right who, as you point out, want to legislate morality and then, on the Left, we have an authoritarian impulse as well with people who want to centrally plan economies, control what people can say (under the auspices of hate speech laws), and limit freedom of contract (through racial discrimination laws) and freedom of assembly (through laws overly supportive of forced union membership).
At the same time, there are also libertarians, classical liberals and anarcho-capitalists who exist on the Right such as the awesome Dr Ron Paul or the Cato Institute or economists like David Friedman. These people stand more diametrically opposed to the things you describe than most of the people on the Left. Therefore, reducing these things to Left versus Right is a bit overly simplistic.
I second that. Don't screw with anyone's education.
It's fucking hard enough for the middle class to make it through all four years with ONE kid. I had to drop out of Harvard because my parents are at least a hundred grand in debt and they haven't even started paying for my brother. My friends were all rich enough to pay in full or poor enough to get a free ride, or they lived in Chicago and didn't need to own a car to go everywhere, which saves you a shitload of money when you have a family that has to go to school & shop for food.
I didn't know about affiliate marketing at that time, so I worked my ass off working 20 hours a week, and now I don't even have a degree I worked for and sacrificed for my whole damn life. My bro has to go to a state school because most private schools cost close to $50k a year now, and we'll still be in debt. In 1999, it was around $32k a year (tell me how that even makes sense!).
You don't know how much a degree means until you've tried every avenue open to you and no one will pay you more than $15/hour without one and your health insurance runs out.
So you see, I take it very fucking personally when a turd messes up someone else's education.
wow...I can't believe so many people are so much against what Shawn did to that kid. I agree with what Jon said. You steal from me, you mess something of mine up, you threaten me, I'm going to go out of my way to make your life hell. Freezing money that the guy didn't really have much invested into isn't going to teach him a lesson. Trying to go the legal/criminal route with the guy would be too much of a pain in the ass for Shawn. If the guy was screwing Shawn over and using any school resources to do it (most likely a possibility) the guy sure as hell should have been booted from school. It's not a matter of being "4th grade" or whatever. It's that you have to hit someone where it hurts for them to learn their lesson. That's part of life.
I leave out libertarians on purpose because they often support varying views and don't always define themselves as being towards one end of the spectrum or the other.
I understand what you're saying and I don't disagree. I took issue with what Springer said because it was an-out-of-the-blue, completely ignorant statement.
I see two problems with that statement. One, hitting him where it hurts would be his wallet, not his academic record. I don't mind vengeance or revenge so much in this business because it's a matter of survival. That said, I only believe in taking things to the extreme if the lessong taught is useful -- in other words, as long as the punishment fits the crime. Two, if you are kicked out of school, there are few second chances in which to make amends. Black marks on your record will follow you around for the rest of your life. You can't get a decently paying job; you can't acquire new skills in specialized fields if there's a standard track to take, and you're stuck in a downward spiral of dead-end jobs and accumulating debt. This can happen to you without being kicked out of school, too, but that's reserved for the really, really unlucky people.
So yes, kicking someone out of school for unrelated criminal or civil matters is too harsh.
Well thank you for straightening me out on that matter. I wear my asshat with pride! I see we have icons for black hats and white hats, so I'll have to speak with someone about an ass hat icon.
In regards to your later post asking about my t-shirts and bumper stickers, I have neither. What I DO have are MY beliefs, MY morals and MY opinions... none of which I expect anyone else to adhere to blindly. It's your choice to agree or disagree.
You have chosen to disagree with some points I made and I'm fine with that. You have every right to do so and I will stand next to you to defend that right. All I ask in return is the right to do likewise, even if I have to wear an asshat while doing it.
I still love lamp, but I'm compelled to add my legitimate opinion:
Do I think what Shawn did was wrong? Yes.
Did he use bad judgement? Yes.
Would I have acted differently? Yes.
Can I completely blame him? No.
People on WickedFire complain about $100 landing pages, $70 for 1000 Directory Submissions or $600 custom vBulletin skins. You bitch about blowing through $50 of PPC advertising without getting a single conversion. Knowing how frustrating it can be to lose that money, how would you feel if you lost $50,000? Wouldn't you be a pissed as all mighty hell? Do you think you might overreact? Do you think deep down, you might want some revenge, even if your not directly telling yourself, "I'm going to do this for revenge?"
Call it an overreaction... fine. But it's hard to overreact about losing $50,000. Looking back on it (after this thread), maybe Shawn can now see how it was a little bit messed up. Maybe not, I don't know. But, with a bitter, hate riddled backlash you're not likely to get anything but him trying to defend himself. And I know that's not the response you're looking for.
I'm sure everyone here has made some type of monumental mistake in their lives that they regret... but defended it vehemently for one reason or another. Let's just put this past us, and hopefully Shawn realizes that Karma does exist... for next time... because it's a great feeling when you get fucked for doing something you shouldn't have done and the other party is gracious enough to give you a second chance. We all need breaks like that sometime.
What goes around does indeed come around... as cliche as it is... well... I'm sure you can figure out the moral.
Do I think what Shawn did was wrong? Yes.
Did he use bad judgement? Yes.
Would I have acted differently? Yes.
Can I completely blame him? No.
People on WickedFire complain about $100 landing pages, $70 for 1000 Directory Submissions or $600 custom vBulletin skins. You bitch about blowing through $50 of PPC advertising without getting a single conversion. Knowing how frustrating it can be to lose that money, how would you feel if you lost $50,000? Wouldn't you be a pissed as all mighty hell? Do you think you might overreact? Do you think deep down, you might want some revenge, even if your not directly telling yourself, "I'm going to do this for revenge?"
Call it an overreaction... fine. But it's hard to overreact about losing $50,000. Looking back on it (after this thread), maybe Shawn can now see how it was a little bit messed up. Maybe not, I don't know. But, with a bitter, hate riddled backlash you're not likely to get anything but him trying to defend himself. And I know that's not the response you're looking for.
I'm sure everyone here has made some type of monumental mistake in their lives that they regret... but defended it vehemently for one reason or another. Let's just put this past us, and hopefully Shawn realizes that Karma does exist... for next time... because it's a great feeling when you get fucked for doing something you shouldn't have done and the other party is gracious enough to give you a second chance. We all need breaks like that sometime.
What goes around does indeed come around... as cliche as it is... well... I'm sure you can figure out the moral.
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