It's just that it's needlessly endangering innocent kid's lives. It's unfair to leave the kid unvaccinated, just because they ended up with parents who believe a Hepatitis A / B shot is some scary government conspiracy.
Get your kids vaccinated.
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It's just that it's needlessly endangering innocent kid's lives. It's unfair to leave the kid unvaccinated, just because they ended up with parents who believe a Hepatitis A / B shot is some scary government conspiracy.
They were right.
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One of the only groups to ever send death threats to P&T.
In early 2010, a spike in cases appeared at Kaiser Permanente in San Rafael, and it was soon determined to be an outbreak of whooping cough -- the largest seen in California in more than 50 years.
Witt had expected to see the illnesses center around unvaccinated kids, knowing they are more vulnerable to the disease. "We started dissecting the data. What was very surprising was the majority of cases were in fully vaccinated children. That's what started catching our attention," said Witt.
Whooping cough vaccine fades in pre-teens: study | Reuters
If you don't get your children vaccinated you don't deserve to be a parent.
Vaccinations are one of the key advancements in our healthcare that stop us from dying before the age of 40.
The only reason it's even tenable not to have them is that because the majority has them, so you're likely not going to encounter the disease in your day-to-day. That only works so long as the vast majority of people continue to have them, and the trend due to the poorly designed disproven studies hyped up by the media is that less people have them.
As a consequence of that, many people are dying unnecessarily, and unless the trend is bucked that figure will carry on growing as evidenced by the majority of the links in this thread. It's becoming a major problem, especially here in the UK after the big MMR scare 10 odd years ago.
I'm not talking about flu shots, but the core Meningitis, Whooping Cough, Measels, Rubella, Mumps, Tetanus, Rotavirus, Polio and Diptheria. All diseases that could kill/permanently disfigure your child, or your idiot friends' unvaccinated child because you watched a conspiracy video on Youtube or don't understand science.
Seriously, fuck you if you don't vaccinate your children against these things and spread the disinformation further afield.
Vaccinations are one of the key advancements in our healthcare that stop us from dying before the age of 40.
The only reason it's even tenable not to have them is that because the majority has them, so you're likely not going to encounter the disease in your day-to-day. That only works so long as the vast majority of people continue to have them, and the trend due to the poorly designed disproven studies hyped up by the media is that less people have them.
As a consequence of that, many people are dying unnecessarily, and unless the trend is bucked that figure will carry on growing as evidenced by the majority of the links in this thread. It's becoming a major problem, especially here in the UK after the big MMR scare 10 odd years ago.
I'm not talking about flu shots, but the core Meningitis, Whooping Cough, Measels, Rubella, Mumps, Tetanus, Rotavirus, Polio and Diptheria. All diseases that could kill/permanently disfigure your child, or your idiot friends' unvaccinated child because you watched a conspiracy video on Youtube or don't understand science.
Seriously, fuck you if you don't vaccinate your children against these things and spread the disinformation further afield.
^ This!
If you are too ignorant to see the difference in a vaccination and a fucking yearly flu shot, you are an idiot to say the least
If you are too ignorant to see the difference in a vaccination and a fucking yearly flu shot, you are an idiot to say the least
Why? So if he confirms he is, then herd ad hominem abusive can commence? It all over this thread already isn't it.
The problem is, and some of you are not going to like it, is that third world countries like Pakistan and Turkey among others didn't follow up with the vaccination program once the world set out to eradicated things like Polio decades ago. They were all but gone in the west.
Because they didn't do that and because these people are savages with poor huygiene, it allowed these diseases to gain ground once again and then they started immigrating to europe bringing with them these diseases once again along with multi-resistant bacteria which can't be killed by any known antibiotic.
There is a very real cost to hiding the truth for pc reasons.
Because they didn't do that and because these people are savages with poor huygiene, it allowed these diseases to gain ground once again and then they started immigrating to europe bringing with them these diseases once again along with multi-resistant bacteria which can't be killed by any known antibiotic.
There is a very real cost to hiding the truth for pc reasons.
I think vaccines are good, but I also think that medical science has a long history of taking credit for improvements in quality of life that have absolutely nothing to do with them.
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Whooping cough deaths had been on a decreasing trend way before vaccination.
Pertussis (Whooping Cough) | Australian Vaccination Network, Inc
Sorry, I missed some replies apparently. So it's clear that dreamache doesn't vaccinate (I think we actually had this thread once before).
As for your post above, it simply proves (and states quite clearly in the article) that booster shots should be applied more regularly as those kids that were most recently up to date had a lower infection rate.
So some questions to dreamache...
Why do you not vaccinate? Do you really believe the conspiracy theories about autism? Or that the vaccination programs in the west are some massive coordinated government plot against the people?
Why do you think you're able to not vaccinate? Is it not because most everyone else does, leaving little risk to your kids of catching one of these horrible diseases? If the vast majority of people didn't vaccinate would you still maintain this same stance knowing there was a much greater chance of your kids catching some deadly or crippling illness?
Are you never going to travel outside the US, or even to big cities such as New York, with your kids? Are they not going to want to travel on their own as teens/adults?
While there's not a huge chance of catching one of these illnesses in middle America, there's still a chance. If one of your children winds up sick and suffering or, even worse, dies as a result of catching something that could have been easily prevented, won't you feel like a complete retard? Have you not seen or read the horror stories of parents who lost kids as a result of not vaccinating?
I'm sure deaths from most diseases dramatically decreased in developed countries in that time period as medical care improved. We are better at keeping people alive now than we were back then.
Where does it say that? Are you referring to this:
I don't see how the above states quite clearly that booster shots should be applied more regularly as those kids that were most recently up to date had a lower infection rate. It actually explains that the 18-month booster was removed because of adverse reactions.
The problem with many pro-vaccinators are that they are claiming along the lines that vaccinations saved us all, and without vaccinations we would still be dying left right and center from all these diseases. Not only that, they love using graphs to show this case, subscribing to correlation = causation.
Not to throw fuel on the fire, but considering each year the Flu kills more people in the US than all of those other diseases combined, maybe we should be talking about flu shots.
The vast majority of vaccinations are bullshit and simply piggy back the success of some of the initial vaccinations; pushed by pharma who lobby government & manipulate data to suggest their effectiveness. There's plenty of counter-evidence that suggests this, but often times the anti-vax crowd is belittled and associated with the likes of McCarthy and therefore no one will take *any* anti-vax information seriously. It's a clever trick. Add to that youtube videos of dying children, sigh, talk about appeal to emotion.
I should get my wife in here (or not), she's better able to articulate this subject, as a pediatrician RN whose thesis in college was based on vaccinations and spent a great deal of time researching both sides. Something of which I'm sure most of you cannot say, with your toddler-like emotional outbursts and threats of violence, akin to neocons who only get their information from Fox who scream about the borders or liberals who choke on Obama's dick constantly.
I should get my wife in here (or not), she's better able to articulate this subject, as a pediatrician RN whose thesis in college was based on vaccinations and spent a great deal of time researching both sides. Something of which I'm sure most of you cannot say, with your toddler-like emotional outbursts and threats of violence, akin to neocons who only get their information from Fox who scream about the borders or liberals who choke on Obama's dick constantly.
I'm reading:
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Which says to me that kids at age 13, who are more likely have had their booster, have a lower infection rate.
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Which to me would be reason enough to get them vaccinated. Even if it's not 100% effective, it still reduces the chances of getting sick, and they don't suffer as much if they do.
WE might not still be dying left right and center from all these diseases; survivability most certainly has gone up with the advent of modern medicine/equipment in the western world, but THEY are still dying elsewhere where that luxury doesn't exist. That being said, I have to ask, what sort of sadomasochist would want to see their kids go through the pain and suffering these illnesses still cause, even with modern medicine? Look at the video above of the kid with whooping cough. Would you want your child to suffer like that, pumped full of medications and on life support equipment (and possibly left crippled for life), when it's completely or mostly preventable?
The flu vaccine is more important for the very young and very old. People with weak or compromised immune systems. Those people are at a much higher risk of complications and death from the common flu virus.
For example, I don't normally take the fly shot myself, but I make damn sure that my 89 year old grandmother gets it every year. One bad bout of the flu could end her.
It's also important for kids to get the flu shot. Since they are so young, they often haven't been exposed to the flu as much as us older folks. They haven't built up decades of resistance from previous similar strains of the flu. That means their immune system is much weaker than an adult. Of course, there have been exceptions to this, like the 1918 flu pandemic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that killed some 50-100 million people, most of which were healthy younger adults.