Global Warming now officially bullshit



I did. Sold the Prius and now am driving a Tahoe. Much more comfortable and lower cost per mile. :)
How does that lower cost per mile math work? EPA estimated fuel cost is $840/year for a Prius, and $2419 a year for a Tahoe (15k mi/yr). A Japanese hybrid has $1500+/yr more in maintenance and depreciation? Fuel cost alone, you're looking at an estimated $0.056 for the Prius, and $0.16 for the Tahoe. Ownership cost estimates from AutomobileMag.com peg the Tahoe's depreciation around 50-60% over 5 years depending on the model, while the Prius's depreciation is about 25-30%. What year Prius did you have, and what % of the original price did you sell it for?

If you're not driving much per year, it doesn't make much sense to get a Prius - If you drive more than average (like the 20-25k miles per year my family members with their Prius drive), they're definitely worth it. And I can attest that maintenance costs haven't cost more than the other Toyotas in my family.

Not to mention that the Tahoe starts at $38,000 vs the Prius starting at $22,000. Trying to compare cost of any sort between the two cars doesn't make much sense.
 
Did you actually read this link? It is a red herring.

And did you read this one?

Are we now experiencing global cooling?
Another red herring.

I hate debunker websites. They never address the actual criticism, but either create a new unrelated argument, or rephrase the criticism so as to eviscerate it of inquiry.

I have no interest in denying that the planet is warming or not. Warming or cooling, the taxes and diminished standard of living are coming. But the case has not been made for AGW.
 
I can't really watch this 1 minute video and just completely discount the evidence for global warming thousands of scientists have been putting forward for years.

Obviously you can.
 
I can't really watch this 1 minute video and just completely discount the evidence for global warming thousands of scientists have been putting forward for years.

Obviously you can.
What about the scientists who disagree? I agree, Glen Beck isn't where I would get my science news. But there are plenty of scientists who poke holes in the AGW theory (not to mention, the empirical data itself) regularly.

I linked to one up the page.

http://www.stephankinsella.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/HaydenToJackson.pdf
 
i think we should just listen to what circa says. he backs everything up by showing you how circa he is.
 
That was all media hype, it never had any real scientific backing at all.

So when one single scientist says it's bullshit, you agree with science. But when thousands say it's real, fuck science? Is that how it works?

Why aren't you posting any data from the other side? The side which 99% of the scientists out there support? And... by the way, Lindzen doesn't say global warming is bullshit, he says the cause is unknown. An article he wrote in 2001: Featured Article - WSJ.com


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aren't scientists, subigo, sorry to say!
 
Maybe the fact is that most people are intellectually stunted morons, adults trapped in a childish emotional state, and Fox is monetizing that audience as effectively as some folks here monetize the Oprah crowd with RezV and Acai.

If you don't like the news on Fox, there are a lot of other places to get your news. If you don't find something you like, you may have discovered a niche to exploit.

Complaining about Fox or MSNBC or CNN is a waste of time. You are not their audience. They don't give a shit what you think.

What do you deem as a reliable news source?
 
Oh, come on. This was the first time I had listened to Beck (literally the first day) and I wasn't confused.

He plainly stated that this was an automobile dealer issue, and the computers of automobile dealers that were participating in the Cash for Cunkers program were essentially government property. He had an automobile dealer on his show that day, and the dealer was explaining it from his point of view.

I don't agree with Beck on a lot of things, but try to avoid the bandwagon of anti-Beck sentiment and listen with an open mind.

I have never seen him on TV. I saw this on a youtube video that was edited to the point where he never mentioned the word "dealer" it was one out of like 400 all edited the same I figured that's how the show went.
 
What do you deem as a reliable news source?
There is no source I trust without question.

The only exception might be my Mom. :D

The facts have to be evaluated independent of who is promoting them. That is where science differs from religion. It doesn't require us to trust scientists, politicians or news anchors. We can check their work and reasoning.
 
...Illegal drug proliferation, LOL, the goverment could legalize them and BAM! done.

That is EXACTLY my point. No government = no problem!

...Government makes cars? When?

The Trabant is a government made car:

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The picture is not from the 50's -- that is the 1989 version.

...people in those bread lines? You just want to take that away from them?

Government causes the bread lines. Zimbabwe, Angola, Germany, Peru -- every case of starving people in bread lines was caused by bullshit currency over produced by a reckless government. The U.S. is heading down this path now.

The simple point here is that bread lines are a crappy way to feed the people, government cannot do a decent job of anything except things requiring force.

Poverty in Africa? That's probably because the lack of stable government over there if anything, lol.

Dumping money in Africa ..or in the ghetto, or anywhere is not a solution. It causes unstable governments, corruption, and worse -- an entitlement mindset. Read what someone born in Africa and educated in economics has to say: Dambisa Moyo

You just can't say "rid us of the government!" across the board. It doesn't work...

We (humans throughout history) have tried big government, bigger government, totalitarism, socialism, communism... you name it. Cities and societies grow when government is small. Civilians END when government gets too big.

I am not saying big government is merely inept - it is downright fucking dangerous. We are all idiots for allowing governments to get as big as they do.
 
...the government's contribution has actually had some positive effect though.

If by "positive effect" you mean the largest debt ever seen in human history - then yes. Government is good at running up debt.

Government makes poverty worse, makes schools worse... bleh... it's hard to believe anyone that takes a look at the data could see it any other way.

Huge waste of money for NEGATIVE effects, everytime.
 
Insufficient data ... would you trust a campaign with only a few clicks (years) worth of information?

I, for one, don't want politicians imposing BS regulations or taxes on me due to the hot, net trends. A few centuries are insignificant to mother earth so lets gather the data in a legitimate fashion.

Besides, if you really want to do something about it ... use the free market & buy ONLY recycled/green stuff and capitalism will fix the problem for you, encourage your friends/family to do the same. Seriously, it's that easy since we live in a profit driven society. If it's not profitable to build a gas powered car, automotive companies won't make them.
 
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I would like to agree with Beck and side with the rogues that say GW is a farce, is a conspiracy, or whatever, but due to overwhelming evidence to the contrary I can't.

Scientific opinion on climate change - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That link suggests that a consensus exists among scientists from every field.The only "source" I trust is raw science and peer reviewed studies. I'm not saying it's always right, but consensus is almost unheard of in the scientific community.
 
If by "positive effect" you mean the largest debt ever seen in human history - then yes. Government is good at running up debt.

Government makes poverty worse, makes schools worse... bleh... it's hard to believe anyone that takes a look at the data could see it any other way.

Huge waste of money for NEGATIVE effects, everytime.

Show me the dataz. I want to see a country without a strong government. And I want to see this country's success at eradicating poverty and illiteracy.

Which country is it? Afghanistan? Somalia? Ethiopia?
 
So even though NPR and PBS are "government media" they do a better job of informing the public than the capitalist media machines.

So there's one example of goverment doing something right.... Geez.

PBS does have some good documentaries and of course my favorite, Nova but the rest is pretty much shit. I can't even listen to NPR in the car with my young daughter riding along. Every time I turn it on it's some program about gay sex or some shit. NPR is just a big liberal circle jerk.
 
The University of Maine has The Climate Change Institute headed by Paul A. Mayewski, Ph.D., whose resume I believe speaks for itself.

If anyone is at all interested, the Bangor Daily News did an interesting and informative supplement on climate change in cooperation with The Climate Change Institute, PDF copies may be viewed here:

What Is Climage Change?
 
Well, if the Oil Companies are paying the scientist who's conflicting research is being presented only on fox news, then they are also most likely paying fox news under the table to present it as being factual.

No I don't have proof of payment, lol. So don't ask me to present evidence that's obviously being concealed to preserve the "fair and balanced" image of Fox News.

You guys have fun over thinking this...

I have two questions for you:

1) Is this a joke post?
2) Did you just post something like this on Huff post? because I saw some loon posting the same nonsense.