Muslims behead a 9-year-old boy

eliquid said:
I didnt read or hear from that any muslims have been beheaded. if they want their own state, why do they have to rally in the name of Islam and then do shit like this?

LA airhead types or rednecks is fine with me, the stereotypes those create are just little things that cause no harm. however when your stereotyped with killing people thats another story.
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plenty of countries have state religions, what does it matter if a part of the world that's mostly muslim wants to have islam as theirs?

the problem is you know nothing about what went down before that video yet you're using it as part of some stupid assumption that all muslims are dangerous and to be avoided. muslims get attached in south thailand too. here's an example where 85+ died because of the previous thai govt's 'prosecute all muslims' strategy, which is ironically the exact same type of violence inducing violence that the people behind that blog seem to want.

most muslims are nice, some are retards that behead and rape people (just like followers or non-followers of every religion do). visit a muslim country and you notice that they're just ordinary people like us (I'm an atheist anyway), the only difference is that they don't drink alcohol and they eat better food.

edit: saw your post above, forget it. you're free to avoid whoever you want but avoiding contact with muslims because of videos like this is like avoiding contact with black people because of the kfc beatdown video
 


productionhead said:
I'm not a Muslim apologist. My only point in this thread is this:

A commits wrong act.

A is apart of B religion.

All members of B religion are wrong because A committed wrong act.

This is the type of thinking some of you here are following. I have reduced the nouns to simple letters so your negative views of Muslims (perpetrated by the American media) does not cloud your thinking.

Furthermore, look up the Bystander effect. Humans are prone to psychologically freezing when they see others in distress (especially when they expect others in the same vicinity to do something to help before they can). And what do you expect someone to do against a mob? (In response to your 200 man rape).
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The thing that is scary about this is:

when the criminal act is murder, its on another level then if the criminal act was just say, shoplifting.

if the criminal act was rape and molestation, its also different then shoplifting.

I know not all muslims kill/follow osama, but how do you know the ones that do/dont until they commit the act? If all the extremist muslims were just rallying around "shoplifting", id prob feel different some, but murder is just on another level.

You know the same thing happened with blacks, asians, irish and jews as well in our history and it took years for things to calm down and people to get comfortable, this time the focus is on muslims in this country. I dont feel comfortable, why is that so wrong to admit?
 
Torgo said:
plenty of countries have state religions, what does it matter if a part of the world that's mostly muslim wants to have islam as theirs?

the problem is you know nothing about what went down before that video yet you're using it as part of some stupid assumption that all muslims are dangerous and to be avoided. muslims get attached in south thailand too. here's an example where 85+ died because of the previous thai govt's 'prosecute all muslims' strategy, which is ironically the exact same type of violence inducing violence that the people behind that blog seem to want.

most muslims are nice, some are retards that behead and rape people (just like followers or non-followers of every religion do). visit a muslim country and you notice that they're just ordinary people like us (I'm an atheist anyway), the only difference is that they don't drink alcohol and they eat better food.

edit: saw your post above, forget it. you're free to avoid whoever you want but avoiding contact with muslims because of videos like this is like avoiding contact with black people because of the kfc beatdown video
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i dont know what went on before that video, just like you dont.. none of us do unless we were there.

i think its sad that those muslims died if they were innocent people, i really do.

listen, im not gonna lie.. plenty of times I have been in situations I was scared fucking shitless. I dated a girl that lived on the wrong side of town, almost married her. I was the ONLY white person within blocks and 4 doors down from her house was a bloods gang. Did I feel nervous as fuck? Yeah. I grew up suburban middle class and wasnt street smart at 18.

Everything was alright and no trouble ever happened with them or anyone else on the street, but that doesnt mean in the back of my head if I said something that came out wrong or did something geek that my white ass wouldnt get a beat down from a gang of people for the fact I was white. I was always on my toes and always looking around. Do you think I went down there during the Rodney King or OJ trials? I just dont put myself in situations where something bad could happen.

I know a lot of those folks wouldn't have minded me being down there, but then again you have a lot of them that do and thats what is scary. Im not going to put myself or especially my kids in a situation like that.
 
Torgo said:
there's no story because this issue is much more complicated than muslims just hating on non-muslims, of course the blog doesn't bother letting people know this because it has a pretty obvious agenda to push

yes, the video is fucked up and it's awful that the groups (who aren't known in Thailand at all, most are anonymous) did this, but the Thai army has done a lot of messed up shit to Muslims in the south over the past few decades like loading them into trucks en masse and letting them suffocate, etc etc

if this was a muslims vs. non-muslims issue you'd see shit like this happening a lot more in Malaysia which is 60% muslim 20% buddhist, but you don't because it has much more to do with Thailand and local politics than it does with one religion screwing around with another one
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This is exactly a Muslim vs non-muslim issue.

Muslims in Malaysia are westernized and more educated. You do see shit like this happening in Indonesia. Just not Malaysia/Singapore.

Come on, they're calling for the death of 20x Buddhist Teachers for god's sake!
 
Torgo said:
plenty of countries have state religions, what does it matter if a part of the world that's mostly muslim wants to have islam as theirs?
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It's because Islam does not recognize the separation of Churches and state, practice barbaric laws, sexist, homophobic and more. Islam view people as Muslims and non-muslims and calls for Muslims to terrorize non-muslims.

Sources: The Koran, Saudi, Afghanistan, Egypt.
 
clyde said:
It's because Islam does not recognize the separation of Churches and state, practice barbaric laws, sexist, homophobic and more. Islam view people as Muslims and non-muslims and calls for Muslims to terrorize non-muslims.

Sources: The Koran, Saudi, Afghanistan, Egypt.
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TRUE THAT...

But it is not right to say that "All Muslims are Terrorists".

Few of them are not.
 
It's kind of a good thing this shit happens--in the long run. And no I don't mean 9 year olds having their heads cut off, but I mean the Islamophobia that's occurring. It's the world's largest religion and if we can shame all the smart Muslims out of being religious we're one step further in the right direction of getting religion gone entirely.
 
You deal realize that if Muslims become a majority here or in any other country this type of barbaric shit is normal.
 
eliquid - if you are into marketing you must have some grasp of statistics. You mentioned "the risks." The actual risks can be looked at by focusing on the total numbers. 50 conversions on a Muslim dating offer out of 100 impressions is a completely different scenario than 50 conversions out of 1 billion impressions.

Focusing in on horrible incidents is the same type of emotional argument that people use to try to ban guns and was used to help ban alcohol.


-- You are 17,600 times more likely to die from heart disease than from a terrorist attack

-- You are 12,571 times more likely to die from cancer than from a terrorist attack

-- You are 11,000 times more likely to die in an airplane accident than from a terrorist plot involving an airplane

-- You are 1048 times more likely to die from a car accident than from a terrorist attack

--You are 404 times more likely to die in a fall than from a terrorist attack

-- You are 87 times more likely to drown than die in a terrorist attack

-- You are 13 times more likely to die in a railway accident than from a terrorist attack

--You are 12 times more likely to die from accidental suffocation in bed than from a terrorist attack

--You are 9 times more likely to choke to death on your own vomit than die in a terrorist attack

--You are 8 times more likely to be killed by a police officer than by a terrorist

--You are 8 times more likely to die from accidental electrocution than from a terrorist attack

-- You are 6 times more likely to die from hot weather than from a terrorist attack

More likely to be killed by cops than terrorists | Ron Paul 2012 | Sound Money, Peace and Liberty
 
We all understand that maybe these are fringe Muslims - we get that. Christians have fringe Christians blowing up abortion clinics etc - all of which is against the Bible. Recognized Biblical scholars come out and denounce the actions of the Christian fringe. The majority of Christians are completely against such acts and support the punishment of those involved.

The problem people have with Islam is that we never see anyone denounce the so called fringe. Maybe it happens, but we never hear about it. Therefore we believe that these are not fringe elements - and if they are "fringe" they are not denounced by other Muslims or even Muslims in authority.

That is a big problem - from the way we see it. Now if I am wrong, then great, point out the Muslim leaders denouncing such acts. Are there any?

I personally know some Muslims that will tell me they do not support such things - but they do not go on TV - issue press releases - nothing. The whole community is silent. And do not give me Rhetoric where they say that it is against Islam to kill innocents. Because they define all non-Muslim as not innocent.

Now - say I am an idiot. I am just reflecting what many believe. If we (I) am wrong then tell me and support your answer with references, citations, and facts. Because thus far I have not seen anything to refute it.

Ready to change my mind....
 
Moxie said:
eliquid - if you are into marketing you must have some grasp of statistics. You mentioned "the risks." The actual risks can be looked at by focusing on the total numbers. 50 conversions on a Muslim dating offer out of 100 impressions is a completely different scenario than 50 conversions out of 1 billion impressions.

Focusing in on horrible incidents is the same type of emotional argument that people use to try to ban guns and was used to help ban alcohol.


-- You are 17,600 times more likely to die from heart disease than from a terrorist attack

-- You are 12,571 times more likely to die from cancer than from a terrorist attack

-- You are 11,000 times more likely to die in an airplane accident than from a terrorist plot involving an airplane

-- You are 1048 times more likely to die from a car accident than from a terrorist attack

--You are 404 times more likely to die in a fall than from a terrorist attack

-- You are 87 times more likely to drown than die in a terrorist attack

-- You are 13 times more likely to die in a railway accident than from a terrorist attack

--You are 12 times more likely to die from accidental suffocation in bed than from a terrorist attack

--You are 9 times more likely to choke to death on your own vomit than die in a terrorist attack

--You are 8 times more likely to be killed by a police officer than by a terrorist

--You are 8 times more likely to die from accidental electrocution than from a terrorist attack

-- You are 6 times more likely to die from hot weather than from a terrorist attack

More likely to be killed by cops than terrorists | Ron Paul 2012 | Sound Money, Peace and Liberty
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data like this can be flawed on many levels.
 
damn, i've seen so much gore, the vid didn't bother me at all... other than the fact religious people are fucking morons.
 
johnysc430 said:
You deal realize that if Muslims become a majority here or in any other country this type of barbaric shit is normal.
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Homicide rates by country:

Malaysia: (60% Muslim)
2.3 cases per 100,000

Bahrain: (80% Muslim)
0.8 cases per 100,000

Lebanon: (60% Muslim)
2.4 cases per 100,000

Kuwait: (85% Muslim)
1.4 cases per 100,000

Turkey: (99% Muslim)
3.8 cases per 100,000

United States:
5.0 cases per 100,000

Kinda funny that a forum full of marketers would ignore the data and instead make baseless assumptions.
 
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REIMktg said:
The problem people have with Islam is that we never see anyone denounce the so called fringe. Maybe it happens, but we never hear about it. Therefore we believe that these are not fringe elements - and if they are "fringe" they are not denounced by other Muslims or even Muslims in authority.

That is a big problem - from the way we see it. Now if I am wrong, then great, point out the Muslim leaders denouncing such acts. Are there any?

I personally know some Muslims that will tell me they do not support such things - but they do not go on TV - issue press releases - nothing. The whole community is silent. And do not give me Rhetoric where they say that it is against Islam to kill innocents. Because they define all non-Muslim as not innocent.

Now - say I am an idiot. I am just reflecting what many believe. If we (I) am wrong then tell me and support your answer with references, citations, and facts. Because thus far I have not seen anything to refute it.

Ready to change my mind....
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Let me google that for you


eliquid said:
data like this can be flawed on many levels.
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Those would have to be some gigantic flaws. Are over 40,000 people not really dieing a year in just the USA alone in car accidents, for example?
 
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