Although many Muslims are crazy, and in fact many of their governments are as well, you still must judge people on a case by case bases.
Muslims behead a 9-year-old boy
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these people should be put in camps and dealt with accordingly. What europe did in the 1930/40s was indeed; "a final solution" to the existing problem
So it is idiotic to jump to conclusions about what in this context would probably be one of the most likely things that could be meant by "not controlling yourself."
But it is not idiotic to jump to conclusions about a randomly selected Muslim out of 2.5 million?
If by not controlling himself, he means turning and walking the other way, then whatever point I was making still stands. It is still irrational and illogical.
Arguing with the wrong guy. I'm not supporting or opposing his view.
I'm just stating that you put words in his mouth, and then assumed he actually said them.
Which does make you an idiot.
When attempting to debate someone, never assume or move past what is being said. What matters in a debate is only what is said, not what is assumed or how a person "feels" or what their personal "opinion" is, unless it is backed up by fact.
So far, I have seen a lot of crap going on in this thread opposing much of the things said by the likes of lukep, most of which have been presenting opinions as fact, which the are not.
It is also pretty funny how many of the people defending islam have completely ignored the multiple posts of the verses from the koran that provide enough proof from the very book that the followers of islam are supposed to get their beliefs, rules, regulations and instructions from.
Can't argue against their own teachings I guess, even when those teachings go against what they are preaching in the public (on this forum and in other public places). No debate needed, because it comes straight from the religious book that they believe is 100% the 'truth'.
^ I've mostly only commented on stuff to do with statistical risks. KKK writings saying that they want to rid the world of black people doesn't change the actual number of black people they have killed or the odds of being killed by the KKK.
Older people, including Muslims, are more dogmatic about their religions, yet you are far more likely to be killed by a younger person. Older Muslim American ladies may be more into the Koran than younger people, but they are still far less likely to kill you than the young white guy sitting near you at the bar.
Older people, including Muslims, are more dogmatic about their religions, yet you are far more likely to be killed by a younger person. Older Muslim American ladies may be more into the Koran than younger people, but they are still far less likely to kill you than the young white guy sitting near you at the bar.
If there were only 2.5 million Muslim men in the world then that would still be 2.5 million little girls (around the age of 9) that have been impregnated. How can you condone child rape?
What many of the people in this thread think Muslims only look like...
What some other Muslims look like...
Cat Stevens
Ali
Jacko
Malcolm X
Dave Chapelle
Some countries with substantial white muslim populations:
Russia, Albania, Kosovo, Bosnia/Herzegovina, Macedonia, Ukraine, Serbia, Montenegro.
You
Ali, Malcom X, and Dave Chappelle are black muslims. They are different than what most people consider muslim. They don't rape small children. They just hate the white man.
2.5 million in the USA. I can't follow you, so can you watch this video?
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Burpv0ZM9gw]YouTube - Apache-Tommy Seebach (Improved Audio 2008)[/ame]
KKK writings are not religious writings. So you're taking the writing outside of the argument you're attempting to make, which is that it is a religious reason for their actions.
The koran is a religious writing.
Like I said earlier. I'm not arguing for or against the points the OP is expressing regarding avoiding muslim people.
You asked me that question for bloody Christ/Allah's sakes. See you're so narrow-minded now...and just plain spouting off you can't remember who said what. You're just ranting in a meager attempt to change people's viewpoints, all the while misconstruing what other people are trying to state.
Please take a breath and stop posting until you can read through things in a logical and unbiased manner.
I feel bad that all this arguing has really made a mockery of the OP and the little kid that was referenced. The innocent portion of the muslim community has my sincere apologies.
Finally found a moment here to jump back in...
(Although that COULD be accurate, but I'll concede that only ~12,000 per year made it to the media.)
Alright... So now we're saying that Jihadist ONLY killed about 120,000 people in the last 9.4 years, if you average out April's numbers and extrapolate. -Of course no huge events like 9/11 or embassy bombings happened in April 2011, so clearly the average would be much larger for the whole 9.4 year period. I think it would be more fair to say 20,000 dead each year, for a total of ONLY 188,000 dead since 9/11... That were reported.
Still a pretty uncomfortably huge number. One that effects us all, constantly killing off people within 4-5 degrees of separation from even the most backwoods american redneck. Basically we are ALL kept in an unsafe place, and uncomfortable, too, because now the TSA gets to feel us up on a regular basis and we don't get to travel as much or as cheaply as before.
In short, they kill some of us daily and they have succeeded in killing the freedom of EVERYONE. That would be worth a Nuke or two in my book, if only we had a concentrated target to nuke.
Luckily I enjoy the anonymity of this board and can speak the TRUTH without fear of reprisal.
Where the comparison breaks down is that the KKK's bible doesn't have a single word in it saying that if others are unlike you then you must KILL them.
Even an american Muslim's koran says that infidels must be murdered, and defines all infidels as those who don't believe in the muslim god, Allah.
The KKK, by comparrison is just a bunch of fools who let their racist hatred skew their minds so much that they can read words like "turn the other cheek" and interpret it in their minds to mean "put a rope around their necks and hang them from a tree until dead."
No one else with a comprehension of the english language can read the passages they quote from the bible and see it the same way as they do.
Within Islam, at least, you couldn't possibly interpret the words of muhammad as something other than encouraging mass murder. It would be easier to start the book over from a Dr. Seuss book and build it up than in would be to strip the koran down!
2. For those that claim to still be devout muslims and read the koran, the evil of their sacred texts overshadows their good deeds and I must assume is driving them insane. -I might still be scared to have one of those people as my friend, for the same reason I'd be afraid to make friends with a person that lives in a padded room down at the looney bin.
They've also issued challenges with a huge monetary reward for anyone to find fault on their site, but no one has yet. They're extremely diligent.
Throughout the whole site you'll see hyperlinks directly to the passages of the Koran or other holy text of islam.
Hey, I think we're onto something here... Perhaps you have shown us your motives in needing to accept all muslims into your life... Lost pussy otherwise.
I LOVE things that aren't like me and my kind, and the fact that I haven't talked to my entire family in over a decade but am married to a Buddhist might hint at that fact.
What I am not ashamed to say I'm afraid of is that damn book of theirs that tells all who read it to literally hunt down and kill me, and how many thousands try every month. Silly me...
Thank you Moxie; I screwed up my math on that one pretty badly. I apologize to everyone for posting the misleading number of over 15 million dead since 9/11.
(Although that COULD be accurate, but I'll concede that only ~12,000 per year made it to the media.)
Alright... So now we're saying that Jihadist ONLY killed about 120,000 people in the last 9.4 years, if you average out April's numbers and extrapolate. -Of course no huge events like 9/11 or embassy bombings happened in April 2011, so clearly the average would be much larger for the whole 9.4 year period. I think it would be more fair to say 20,000 dead each year, for a total of ONLY 188,000 dead since 9/11... That were reported.
Still a pretty uncomfortably huge number. One that effects us all, constantly killing off people within 4-5 degrees of separation from even the most backwoods american redneck. Basically we are ALL kept in an unsafe place, and uncomfortable, too, because now the TSA gets to feel us up on a regular basis and we don't get to travel as much or as cheaply as before.
In short, they kill some of us daily and they have succeeded in killing the freedom of EVERYONE. That would be worth a Nuke or two in my book, if only we had a concentrated target to nuke.
If I were a politician or some other kind of public speaker, yeah, that would be dumb. I'd get death threats for sure. Perhaps attempts, even.
Luckily I enjoy the anonymity of this board and can speak the TRUTH without fear of reprisal.
I'd love it if they could eradicate that much less evil but still quite evil book... But I will be happy to compare the KKK and skinheads to the most radical Islamics. There are certainly parallels.
Where the comparison breaks down is that the KKK's bible doesn't have a single word in it saying that if others are unlike you then you must KILL them.
Even an american Muslim's koran says that infidels must be murdered, and defines all infidels as those who don't believe in the muslim god, Allah.
The KKK, by comparrison is just a bunch of fools who let their racist hatred skew their minds so much that they can read words like "turn the other cheek" and interpret it in their minds to mean "put a rope around their necks and hang them from a tree until dead."
No one else with a comprehension of the english language can read the passages they quote from the bible and see it the same way as they do.
Within Islam, at least, you couldn't possibly interpret the words of muhammad as something other than encouraging mass murder. It would be easier to start the book over from a Dr. Seuss book and build it up than in would be to strip the koran down!
Actually, I target on Islam, but the more peace-loving muslims look the same and can't be told apart from Islamics and therefore you are forced to be wary of them all, until you somehow get to know them individually.
1. These INDIVIDUALS have forsaken Islam and I wouldn't consider part of the problem anymore. Remember, I'm not a racist, I'm a religionist.
2. For those that claim to still be devout muslims and read the koran, the evil of their sacred texts overshadows their good deeds and I must assume is driving them insane. -I might still be scared to have one of those people as my friend, for the same reason I'd be afraid to make friends with a person that lives in a padded room down at the looney bin.
You'd be very surprised. TROP not only quotes sources but only adds attacks/deaths to their tally from news stories from credible press outlets like the BBC and Al Jeezera... Forsaking crap like Fox news and HuffPo.
They've also issued challenges with a huge monetary reward for anyone to find fault on their site, but no one has yet. They're extremely diligent.
Throughout the whole site you'll see hyperlinks directly to the passages of the Koran or other holy text of islam.
No, but I also wouldn't fuck her either.
Hey, I think we're onto something here... Perhaps you have shown us your motives in needing to accept all muslims into your life... Lost pussy otherwise.
Already forgotten that I travel a lot and lived in Bangkok? Sheesh.
I LOVE things that aren't like me and my kind, and the fact that I haven't talked to my entire family in over a decade but am married to a Buddhist might hint at that fact.
What I am not ashamed to say I'm afraid of is that damn book of theirs that tells all who read it to literally hunt down and kill me, and how many thousands try every month. Silly me...
LOL; good try, kiddo. Atheists don't think like that... We'd first have to believe that there is something for us to be obsolete AT... Such as a giant machine that we are all cogs in. Obsololololol...!
True, I have no idea what you've been through, and you me. But your words on this thread spill too much idealism to keep you safe in certain situations. My telling you so is a gift; not an insult.
Damn, ripping of Yoda directly this time?! You only missed the word "Anger."
Dude, it's not fearmongering. It's lifting the veil of lies that currently blind you. I'm not even telling you to literally be afraid of all muslims; I'm telling you that you can't know a muslim from a Jihadist until you get to know them so don't do anything risky like wear your heart on your sleeve while hanging out near new muslimfolk...
No, just awareness, there is no peace involved, sadly.
This one point is ironic to me too, because I have as much contempt for conservative right wing christians as you obviously do. However I'm saying be cautious because you DON'T know which ones will kill you, and they would say Kill them all before they will kill you... So there is a clear difference.
HEY, --->_I'M_<--- the one raising awareness... YOU can't tell ME that awareness saves lives... What are you, new to debate??
None at all, which was stated.
Did that offend you that I speculated that he could have used the threat of a bomb? If so, why have you just said "Maybe he did have a bomb." Very confusing dude.
Thank you. I'd make a really bad president too, and Muslim too. I need my brain and my freedom intact too much to do well at any of those horrible 'jobs.'
Their numero uno book tells them to murder me though.
I don't give a shit if they think that means the Easter bunny is going to give them a chocolate treat; they should NOT stop themselves from BURNING a book that says go out and murder others because they aren't like you.
Since I'm an atheist I feel even more strongly about how little regard they should have for their most sacred religious text... I've already forsaken the holy hell out of one such book and I know how important it is for everyone to do so.
Avoidance of sorting out 2 Billion ppl isn't laziness. It would take multiple lifetimes just to say each of their names, much less get to know them all on a personal level.
The point of this thread was made well by eliquid at the top; Since YOU CANNOT tell a muslim from an Islamic Extremist actively wanting to kill you right now, (which say more about the extremist than it does about the muslim) don't take chances. -This isn't wrong, this isn't anger, this isn't racism nor evil.
This is the exact same thing as not pulling any straws at all if you know the short straw will blow you up.
No, but you obviously are for imagining that laughable scenario out of what I said.
Granny there has many options to help stop the extremists without putting on army boots. She can donate. Or for those still in the old country, they should be TAXED.
I know there are. But I also know they aren't successful, and it's all too important that they become so.
In short, I feel that the 2 Billion people on this planet aren't doing enough to stop the extremists hiding within them who go out into the world and kill 1000 other people every single month.
If you still feel that my feeling here is unreasonable, picture the KKK going out and killing 1000 jews every month, IN ISRAEL. -See the difference? Israel wouldn't be so happy with the USA then, now would they?
We stop our loonies. They don't.
I'm not sure what you're raising is mere awareness when you're presenting things in such a prejudiced light.
As an atheist you're running around decrying all religion, but you're arguing on the false premise that a world without religion would have been better.
If you're arguing from a position of humanism, then you need to know that humanism is rooted in religious philosophy, and if a purely atheistic worldview was in effect, human life would have no value. Saddam and Stalin would be equally valid approaches to running a country as anything else.
As an atheist you're running around decrying all religion, but you're arguing on the false premise that a world without religion would have been better.
If you're arguing from a position of humanism, then you need to know that humanism is rooted in religious philosophy, and if a purely atheistic worldview was in effect, human life would have no value. Saddam and Stalin would be equally valid approaches to running a country as anything else.