The absolute best private health insurance here is at most $1500 a year. Basic coverage is only about $360.
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The absolute best private health insurance here is at most $1500 a year. Basic coverage is only about $360.
So would you rather pay $12k a year and be personally responsible for yourself, or pay $2000 a year extra in tax and have the entire country receive public health care with the option of paying for private health insurance in exchange for a tax rebate?
Big fan of personal responsibility. I know where my money goes. I can guarantee you for every $1 I give the Government they're going to wast .95 of it. I don't trust my Government to be responsible for my health care. I don't trust them to protect me. I wish I could trust them to stay the hell out of my life, but they're not having that.
I'm actually having a really difficult time with this, and the dancing liberals in my newsfeed aren't making it any easier.
With where you stand on ObamaCare? I'm pretty amazed at how many people I know act like he's a hero for it, but I don't judge them either. "Free" healthcare sounds good in theory. I see it as a criminal act, but that's just me.
Also, for those of you who think because someone opposes Obama's plan that they want poor people to die, that's just wrong. Hospitals in the US don't turn people away, in an emergency they'll treat you and bill you.
When it comes to longer term treatments, cancer or other serious medical costs, I'd say some people don't get the treatment they need, but in many cases family, community, friends, etc pull together to get people the treatment they need.
So just because I don't want Obama robbing me doesn't mean I'm against people getting healthcare, this entire law, despite the premise they're selling it on, tramples our rights and privacy, I'm not okay with Government doing that.
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Not every poor person has a network of wealthy people who can pay for their cancer treatment.
Not to mention, what about the old guy that's worked his whole life, can't get insured because of his age, gets struck down with cancer and then loses his entire life earnings and any inheritance for his children to pay for the treatment?
Also, if a poor person without insurance goes into a US hospital in a severe way, has an op, is stable, and the hospital know all too well that that person can't pay their bills, what incentive do they have to treat that person? They're far better off chucking them out on the street, or avoiding any kind of "better" more expensive treatments - even if they know full well he'll be dead within days.
I think every developed country should have some kind of public/semi-public healthcare, it just needs to have competition between hospitals, and be kept separate from the government (unlike the NHS here, where there's no incentive for hospitals to remain competitive, or cut costs). I.e. you pay a flat tax which goes into a separate organisation independent of government which controls the healthcare budget. Each hospital is then set up as a private company, which earns money from that fund based on patient satisfaction, number of people they treat, and so forth. That covers a standard plan, which gets you the normal health stuff and approved drugs and what not. Private hospitals then have the additional opportunity to charge extra for treatments not included in the standard insurance - so things like life extending treatments, cosmetic surgery, and so forth, and private treatments are restricted to being a certain percentage of their overall treatment.
At least that seems a good concept in theory to me, anyway - whereby everyone gets a basic level of care & hospitals have an incentive to remain competitive.
Hippocratic oath??
Not like a poor person is going to be able to sue you
[ or that doctors even have to take the oath anymore.. or that a doctor will even be making said decision in the first place ]
Sounds like a decent plan, provided:
1) we can keep the gov't out of the healthcare fund, unlike the social security fund
2) we can reverse the tide of obesity and get the general population in better health
3) we can limit malpractice suits and the cost of malpractice insurance
4) we can keep the illegals from freeriding the system
5) we can keep the private hospitals (and any related private insurances that may be involved) from jacking up non-standard treatment prices during times of financial surplus
So if, key word if, we had a representational government then this might just stand a chance...
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this sucks so bad
worst fucking president ever
this sucks so bad
worst fucking president ever
slamming the decision because you don't want to be forced to have health insurance? I must be confused, as to why should that not be the case?
Starting in two years you will have to have health insurance to sign a lease in the Netherlands, and it will carry over to other countries. Better to have it than to not. And if you deny it and pay the tax, you can't flop back within that year.
And the exchange is exactly what's needed, otherwise wipe out the whole system, and start over, but insurance companies and lobbyists would never let that happen because of their capitalist needs, not what's good for the majority of the country.
Starting in two years you will have to have health insurance to sign a lease in the Netherlands, and it will carry over to other countries. Better to have it than to not. And if you deny it and pay the tax, you can't flop back within that year.
And the exchange is exactly what's needed, otherwise wipe out the whole system, and start over, but insurance companies and lobbyists would never let that happen because of their capitalist needs, not what's good for the majority of the country.
What you want is a voucher system. It works like so:
The government decides a minimum amount that everyone paying taxes should pay every year towards healthcare. Given obamacare, it looks like that number is around $3,000. You then give everyone in the country a voucher for $3,000, only valid towards health insurance. People get the choice of whether to use the voucher or not, and what company they give it to.
If someone is poor, they can put their voucher towards a government backed insurance, or they can put it towards any insurance company willing to take the minimum. Everyone else gets to use their voucher towards whatever health insurance they choose.
Why is this a better system than public healthcare? The poor are garaunteed healthcare. The middle class can put the $3,000 they paid in taxes directly dollar for dollar into their own insurance; giving them a chance to get a higher level of insurance than they would if they were not only paying for the insurance of the poor, but a separate plan also. The rich do what they were going to do anyway, and choose which ever insurance they like. Not to mention, if people don't want insurance, no one is forced to have it.
Voucher system FTW.
WRONG. It's the government that allows lobbyists to be effective, not capitalism. The government needs to get rid of this lobbyist bullshit, and stop regulating the shit out of everything.
Obama and friends haven't taken the USA in an opposite direction, they are just driving a bit further down the road.
100 million Americans are already on Medicare or Medicaid, which are essentially public options.
People are already forced to pay for car insurance, stadiums, high school football, aircraft carriers, health care for Iraqis, Irish golf videos, $2.3 trillion of who knows what :
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This is black or white thinking. The reality is probably that many politicians do genuinely want to help people. When the tsunami hit Japan and US aid was sent for example, I doubt that was because congressmen got together at their secret hideout and only decided to do that as part of a plot to control Japanese people.