Ron Paul For President
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Coming from a 'socialist' (unfortunately not) country I find this really interesting how people can really believe society as a whole is better when everyone looks after themselves, not each other.
Quickly scanning your declaration of independence, I can see no explicit or implicit references to capitalism, in fact the bit that really sticks out is that all men are created equal and that government is there to secure the rights of all men - not just those that have the knowledge, education or resources to secure those rights for themselves.
In fact it sounds much like a socialist (everyone helps everyone else) ideology than a capitalist (each man for himself) one.
As the risk of sounding patronising, America is a fucking young country though and has never been invaded or occupied by a foreign power (unless you count the Europeans most of you are descended from). Give it a few more centuries and I think most Americans will realise that it is a good thing for society as a whole if the rich help the poor.
The issue of state vs federal control is something we are increasingly having to deal with in Europe - it certainly is tough to find the right balance. I think we may benefit from having elections for an EU President in some ways - but certainly without your electoral college or our first past the post systems - they seem to be amongst the least fair electoral systems in the western world.
Quickly scanning your declaration of independence, I can see no explicit or implicit references to capitalism, in fact the bit that really sticks out is that all men are created equal and that government is there to secure the rights of all men - not just those that have the knowledge, education or resources to secure those rights for themselves.
In fact it sounds much like a socialist (everyone helps everyone else) ideology than a capitalist (each man for himself) one.
As the risk of sounding patronising, America is a fucking young country though and has never been invaded or occupied by a foreign power (unless you count the Europeans most of you are descended from). Give it a few more centuries and I think most Americans will realise that it is a good thing for society as a whole if the rich help the poor.
The issue of state vs federal control is something we are increasingly having to deal with in Europe - it certainly is tough to find the right balance. I think we may benefit from having elections for an EU President in some ways - but certainly without your electoral college or our first past the post systems - they seem to be amongst the least fair electoral systems in the western world.
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What a lot of neo-liberatains don't understand is that if you privatise everything and cut costs to a bare minimum the price of google such as food and gas will rise enormously. It would create massive out of control inflation.
With the amount of money being being made on the Internet, there really is no excuse for being poor. If you're willing to work hard and learn the ropes, you can earn a decent living online.
Society needs to stop treating single mother on welfare with kid gloves. What ever happened to personal responsibility and accountability?
I don't want the government to tax me for these services and abortion clinics, but do I have a choice where my tax dollars are spent? NO... I am left to fund liberal hippies idea of a utopia where special segments of the population (single mothers) get a free pass and are seen as victims rather than bottom- feeding muckers.
But what if someone chooses to be poor or is content being poor? There is little correlation between money and happiness. And what is wrong with giving disenfranchised people a helping hand? Maybe you should turn off the Rush Limbagh a day be mroe receptive to other people's views.
Had to respond to this directly!
Much as I respect you Laura and I'm sure you aren't implying that half the world is mediocre, I do take offence at this.
I can't be bothered to dig out the stats (but will if pushed
), but in countries where there is free healthcare for everyone the overall health of the population is better and mortality rates are lower.. everyone benefits.Even here, where many argue for lower taxes and less government spending, no-one would suggest scrapping the NHS - it's just so beneficial to everyone - rich and poor. Even if it is shitly run sometimes and often wastes money... better that than be having to satisfy shareholders or being wheeled to a payment counter after seeing the doc (as I was in Thailand).
It seems it's an ideological thing - should we look after ourselves or should we look after each other?
I agree... kind of.
I think even here we hand out too much stuff to certain groups of people and I've very pissed off at how they spend my taxes.
The things that really piss me off though are when they waste billions killing arabs and helping arms companies export their shit to murderous regimes.
Utopia?? We can fuckin start by stopping killing people to help a select few corporations.
(If the pro-life guys get their way, you'll have a hell of a lot more single mothers to deal with and more importantly and sadly a hell of a lot more unwanted kids.)
I do agree with LazyHippy on the health care bit. There are countries with socialized health care that do a much better job than what we have now. World Health Organization's list.
I think I made it pretty clear that I don't believe anything and everything should be privatized, all I really ask is for people's right to life, liberty, and property to be preserved.
I think I made it pretty clear that I don't believe anything and everything should be privatized, all I really ask is for people's right to life, liberty, and property to be preserved.
Having control over your own money does not necessarily mean that no one will help the poor. In my perspective, it means that those who wish to help the poor will continue to do so, and those who don't have it in their hearts to do that, will not. In that situation the people have a choice of what they want to do with their money. Its not that everyone wants to keep their money for themselves, its the concept of having more control over the money that you earn.
Yea everyone loves the NHS. Good health care should be obtainable by all but never handed out "freely" (NHS is paid for by your ungodly high taxes, remember?).
Yea those evil libs want the gov. to abolish life and liberty. Seriously, where do you come up with this garbage?
We don't tend to say 'sucks' that much here.. NHS is shit gives a few more opinionated blogs.
Are taxes aren't that high really, and the best way to cut them would be to stop following certain wankers into wars of terror.
Quote me where I said liberals want to abolish life, liberty, and property. If you haven't noticed, I've only been pointing fingers at the neo-conservative movement. I can live with liberals.
Ya thats was the point...
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I was actually trying to say I agree with you, all countries involved in the war could be spending it on more important things than killing people for profit.
Too right man. The money spend on this war of error could've provided clean water for every fucker that needs it in Africa.. it could've also provided AIDS, TB (etc) medication and made a serious dent in worldwide poverty... instead it went to Halliburton shareholders...
Makes me sad and really fuckin angry.
At least you guys have half a chance to elect someone who might change things... I can't see the UK government being anything other than sheep behind an American shepherd in the near future.
I thing America has a duty to sort out the shit she's caused in the past (same as England, France, Spain and others), but non-intervention is certainly much much better than any more fucking up the world for the sake of Dollars.
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