Ron Paul preparing to endorse Mitt Romney

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Ironically I'm listening to Stefbot talk about Honest Ron right now... His tone has certainly changed about Paul between 2008 and today.
 


why can't ron simply come out and sat he wont endorse romney? put the rumors to rest? what's with speaking through proxies?
 
Ironically I'm listening to Stefbot talk about Honest Ron right now... His tone has certainly changed about Paul between 2008 and today.
Like me, Stefan thinks politics are a waste of time.

Lew Rockwell - "Politics is a snare and an illusion."
 
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOHlN5JWsw8]Ron Paul Message to Supporters - YouTube[/ame]
 
I sincerely can't tell if the Romney supporters on Wickedfire are really this ignorant, or they just enjoy spreading anti-Paul propaganda. I suspect both.

I come from a land less politically sophisticated than the United States where leaders *literally* kill their way to the top. One thing I've learned about people in control - they'll do anything stop anyone from relinquishing their power.
 
Ron Paul may not win (he almost certainly will not), however he's a smart old man and is playing the long game. He sees decades into the future and is not concerned with impacting the short term. He is a patriot that wants to shape the young minds of future leaders that will have to deal with the crises that will arise in the future. In that regard, yes I do believe he will win. That is my true opinion.
 
Like me, Stefan thinks politics are a waste of time.
That was his official line in 2008... I saw the Political Intervention episode, I agree with every point of it minus the implication that Paul is no different from the rest.

However, lately he has lauded Paul a few times that I have seen, praising him for bringing more people out of their comas.

I know he isn't saying go vote or anything, but he sounds absolutely happy about it this time.

Lesson: Paul is a rare anomaly. You really can't call Paul a politician.
 
That was his official line in 2008...
It's still his official line.

You can't be a Voluntarist and support political action without being a hypocrite. People usually don't become Voluntarists if they are hypocrites.
 
It's still his official line.

You can't be a Voluntarist and support political action without being a hypocrite. People usually don't become Voluntarists if they are hypocrites.
Then the answer is clear: I'm not into politics.

I'm into fanning the flames of this 1-time rare anomaly so it will give us shorter-term profits... It's not like there is going to be another person with Paul's 30+ year voting record in 2016 for me to obsess about then... This is a truly remarkable anomaly that even Stefbot appreciates, and sees is helping our cause.

It attracts me more than you simply because I don't want to move to Thailand, I'm comfortable here but not the way things have been going with the state lately.
 
It attracts me more than you simply because I don't want to move to Thailand, I'm comfortable here but not the way things have been going with the state lately.
Delusions are always attractive. But they are still delusions at the end of the day.

A smart move might be to make bank and to cover your ass if you have to make a move. Wasting time and energy on a stillborn political campaign is irresponsible and foolish.
 
Delusions are always attractive. But they are still delusions at the end of the day.
I'd agree if Paul didn't have so many delegates, didn't have a following that has taken the lead away from his campaign, and didn't have the pending lawsuits that threaten to jail the competition. (Well, at least two of the three.)

As I've said in the past, you're not paying attention to the campaign. Yes, I know this is by design but you also pass judgement on its' chances when you're not even watching it. That's a kind of hypocritical too, isn't it?

If you were paying attention you'd know that things are going very differently for this 'campaign' than it did in 2008.


A smart move might be to make bank and to cover your ass if you have to make a move. Wasting time and energy on a stillborn political campaign is irresponsible and foolish.
As large as my ass is, it's covered already. :thumbsup:
 
It attracts me more than you simply because I don't want to move to Thailand, I'm comfortable here but not the way things have been going with the state lately.

Wait you don't WANT to move to Thailand anymore?

I remember you doing a mega thread on why we all should move to Thailand and how there's more freedom in Thailand than in the US.
 
Wait you don't WANT to move to Thailand anymore?

I remember you doing a mega thread on why we all should move to Thailand and how there's more freedom in Thailand than in the US.
Long story short, I've decided it's just too fucking hot, but I'll move there anyway if Murika keeps degrading the way it is... I can't see the Dollar avoiding ruin in the next year or two without Paul getting elected and ending the fed.

So yeah, it's still the land of the free(er). I just find that personally my body doesn't like the tropics too much.
 
Long story short, I've decided it's just too fucking hot, but I'll move there anyway if Murika keeps degrading the way it is... I can't see the Dollar avoiding ruin in the next year or two without Paul getting elected and ending the fed.

So yeah, it's still the land of the free(er). I just find that personally my body doesn't like the tropics too much.

Sounds like a giant cop out to me. I can't wait to see what happens end of August.
 
As I've said in the past, you're not paying attention to the campaign.
This campaign is no different than others, it's that you're a political neophyte so you don't know it.

The outcome is inevitable.

You'll learn (or go insane), it's just painful watching you act foolish until that happens.
 
This campaign is no different than others...

The outcome is inevitable.
Sheesh. You won't keep up with the campaign news but you pass judgement on it... And then because the judgement you reached is in contrast to my prediction, you pass judgement on me.

If I didn't know so few fellow Voluntaryists, this conversation would have been over days ago.

I'm going to PM you some links that I don't want posted here.

...you're a political neophyte...
Actually I was named after a US senator because my parents are both GOP political junkies and forced me to stuff campaign envelopes for half of the republican campaigns in the south throughout my youth. I've been a page on the floor of the senate and was even a card-carrying member of the young republicans...

So please trust me when I say that I'm quite certain that Paul is something different... He is ->Not<- seeking power, he's trying to throw the ring in Mt. Doom. I think even Stefan sees that now.
 
Sheesh. You won't keep up with the campaign news but you pass judgement on it... And then because the judgement you reached is in contrast to my prediction, you pass judgement on me.
I don't need to keep up with physics research to know how gravity works.

Actually I was named after a US senator because my parents are both GOP political junkies and forced me to stuff campaign envelopes for half of the republican campaigns in the south throughout my youth. I've been a page on the floor of the senate and was even a card-carrying member of the young republicans...
Yeah, you're a political neophyte. Believing in, and participating in the delusions isn't the same as understanding the delusion. If anything, it's worse.

So please trust me when I say that I'm quite certain that Paul is something different... He is ->Not<- seeking power, he's trying to throw the ring in Mt. Doom. I think even Stefan sees that now.
You can't be a politician or have political influence without seeking power. That is what politics is.

This is your cognitive dissonance. You think someone can do the right thing while doing the wrong thing. It's nuts. It's super crazy because it has been explained to you multiple times.

And you're not a voluntarist. You're a statist. You promote the state as the solution to problems. Don't tell me it's strategy. That's like those idiots who claim we need war to have peace.
 
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You can't be a politician or have political influence without seeking power. That is what politics is.

Now you're just being too literal, whether it be intentional or out of ignorance. He simply meant that Paul isn't seeking power for power's sake. Yea, yea... I know.. in the truest form of things... it's all power for power's sake.

Some people choose to believe in the right and wrong energies of this universe. Yea, yea.. I know that all good and/or evil can and is in a way subjective. I certainly can relate to that train of thought... but at the end of the day, you can either choose to identify with your heritage, nation, and patriotism and do what you can do for the cause you believe to be in the right, or you can simply not give a fuck and cover your own ass. To each his own. I think the past year with the RP campaign was amazing and I am thankful to here experienced from the perspective of a supporter. It isn't bad to have hope.

I think you're being close minded.
 
I don't need to keep up with physics research to know how gravity works.
But when someone tells you that it isn't gravity your dealing with, but some other law of nature, you shouldn't keep assuming it's still about gravity. You admit you're not studied enough to see the difference.


Yeah, you're a political neophyte. Believing in, and participating in the delusions isn't the same as understanding the delusion. If anything, it's worse.
I knew I'd get that response but I guess I just wanted to give you some background. Ok, the rest of that story is that I only voted in elections thru the 2000 debacle, and had a strong inkling after learning about the electoral college then that my teachings about politics were a little deceptive. I never voted again, not even locally, and until Paul came along (for me in 2007/8) I didn't identify with any party anymore, I was totally disillusioned with them all.

In 2008 I held a little of the hope I do now but the media very thoroughly squashed it with their userping of the tea party. I have thought of myself as a libertarian ever since, but thought Politics were pointless since then. You've witnessed everything after that, my rise to Voluntaryism and then getting offtrack for personal gains just for this election cycle once I saw Paul had new opportunities.


You can't be a politician or have political influence without seeking power. That is what politics is.
In my PM I told you why this isn't so in this one, rare case. For public consumption: Paul = Bilbo Baggins, power = the Ring.

Interestingly enough, Tolkien was an anarchist. The whole story was an excellent, really Perfect metaphor for taking down the state.


You think someone can do the right thing while doing the wrong thing. It's nuts. It's super crazy because it has been explained to you multiple times.
It's not crazy to try to take control of a speeding train that's going over a cliff... You seem to believe Paul would get up to the wheel and shovel more coal on!

He would certainly slow the train down, although he wouldn't have the power to remove the train totally from the tracks...

Am I crazy for wanting the train slowed down?


And you're not a voluntarist. You're a statist. You promote the state as the solution to problems. Don't tell me it's strategy. That's like those idiots who claim we need war to have peace.
Now you're just speaking out of anger. You know I would push the button to remove all state control if it existed... But it will never exist without education for the masses, and the way the state is acting these days, education for the masses gets less and less likely every single day.

I'm for a short-term solution that will reduce the size of government which will in turn allow the masses to become more free to be educated in a way that will lead to their eventual freedom.

Your tactic of hope and change seems to be doing more harm than good to your cause.