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Point 4 actually the number is closer to 0% for almost all these offers because they provide no actual value to the consumer of the type they're advertised for.

Sonny Forelli said:
per the example above, let's add in some other points - and note I'm not speaking to specific offers just the model in general. I no longer have any skin in the game and really don't give a shit.

1) value of the data on a rev share for both emailers and direct mailers. $2-4?
2) value of up/cross sells - because yes they're still happening. $10-15?
3) percentage throttling of the network (and thus consequently also the affiliate) pixel by the advertiser: XX%?
4) percentage of customers who actually experience success with the product, enjoy it, and KNOWINGLY stay on? Has to be some and even a small percentage there are printing money at $90 pure profit monthly since the up front marketing costs are already sunk. 5%? I have no idea.
5) value from exit pop/live operator chat which some offers never fired a pixel on back when I actually tested things like this. (I'm currently running a campaign where the exit pop accounts for about 5% of the conversions- so let's just pencil in 5%).

But the more important question to ask is simply this:

Who on earth takes on SIGNIFICANT risk and up-front costs for what's being made out to be peanuts?

Would anyone here? I sure wouldn't.

This alone should answer the 'woe is us' question. Now - per Mike's post I think this pertains to networks a hell of a lot more than it does advertisers.
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kingfish said:
Point 4 actually the number is closer to 0% for almost all these offers because they provide no actual value to the consumer of the type they're advertised for.
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none huh?

i've got probably close to 100 user testimonials who bothered to go back to a landing page of mine up to 6 months later, find the contact page, copy the email removing the (at) and changing to @, and then email us to praise their miracle product who say differently. And I was just the affiliate.

I'm not pretending it's a large number, but there has to be some number.
 
g33ks said:
What boggles my mind is why Copeac would partner with Dee and Larby when they stiffed Eadvertising for millions as well as CXdigital and other networks.
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Want to see what Copeac has to say about that too..
 
Listen... its a giant waste of time to figure the mess out from where most of you are sitting. I'm not trying to be condescending by saying that either, its just that unless you've got access to information from the bank processing level and lower, then you can get somewhat of an overall picture and still not even see the whole thing in all its glory and details.

I've been piecing it together for a long time now with a small handful of others, and its so far reaching and just against any real rational way of thinking that you wouldn't believe me if I told ya.

This whole thing has become one huge clusterfuck. It involves money laundering, a ponzi scheme based on credit, credit card fraud, bank fraud, lies, greed, deception and absolute disregard for any rational approach of 'smart people'. I mean just about everything short of violence and murder so far, and quite frankly, I wouldn't be shocked if that's what we start seeing next. But you'd be an absolute idiot if you don't think that at least a few people are not going to end up in prison over this, because the paper trail on this shit is so insane, I bet the investigators themselves will get confused more than a few times, even with all the access that they have.

Bottom line... Greed is behind every single shred of this.

Enough with trying to make sense of it.
Enough of the bullshit from networks already.
Enough blaming each other for shit you're also responsible for.
Enough of all of it. It will drive you crazy and you still won't be able to figure it out.

If you're an affiliate and a network is fucking with you.. stop pushing the offer!
If you're a network, and the advertiser is fucking with you.. stop pushing the offer!

Its as if certain people here have sold their common sense out for some quick cash, and are suddenly crying poverty and innocence as the shit starts hitting the fan. Fuck all of you, you absolutely deserve it. You won't be getting any help from me or this forum.
 
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Jon said:
Listen... its a giant waste of time to figure the mess out from where most of you are sitting. I'm not trying to be condescending by saying that either, its just that unless you've got access to information from the bank processing level and lower, then you can get somewhat of an overall picture and still not even see the whole thing in all its glory and details.
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I think any info on what is going on with processing would help us figure out where to go from the place we are sitting...

So, hope you could share more insights on what is coming next.
 
Jon said:
and its so far reaching and just against any real rational way of thinking that you wouldn't believe me if I told ya.
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Jon, you have totally lost touch with the readership of wickedfire; because there are some peeps here who are true black helicopter hidin', tin foil hat wearin', free mason fearin', vaccine refusin', fifth column suspicious mother fuckers. Don't under estimate this board's potential for hysteria and histrionics, if you tell it, somebody will believe it.
 
Lol Jon tellin it like it is.

So many scamming so many people for so long and rationalizing it makes it hard for them to understand why the company they have been helping fuck people over is now fucking them over. Like they somehow would have ethics but only when it comes to paying you.
 
24 hr rebill lulz

Jon said:
Listen... its a giant waste of time to figure the mess out from where most of you are sitting. I'm not trying to be condescending by saying that either, its just that unless you've got access to information from the bank processing level and lower, then you can get somewhat of an overall picture and still not even see the whole thing in all its glory and details.

I've been piecing it together for a long time now with a small handful of others, and its so far reaching and just against any real rational way of thinking that you wouldn't believe me if I told ya.

This whole thing has become one huge clusterfuck. It involves money laundering, a ponzi scheme based on credit, credit card fraud, bank fraud, lies, greed, deception and absolute disregard for any rational approach of 'smart people'. I mean just about everything short of violence and murder so far, and quite frankly, I wouldn't be shocked if that's what we start seeing next. But you'd be an absolute idiot if you don't think that at least a few people are not going to end up in prison over this, because the paper trail on this shit is so insane, I bet the investigators themselves will get confused more than a few times, even with all the access that they have.

Bottom line... Greed is behind every single shred of this.

Enough with trying to make sense of it.
Enough of the bullshit from networks already.
Enough blaming each other for shit you're also responsible for.
Enough of all of it. It will drive you crazy and you still won't be able to figure it out.

If you're an affiliate and a network is fucking with you.. stop pushing the offer!
If you're a network, and the advertiser is fucking with you.. stop pushing the offer!

Its as if certain people here have sold their common sense out for some quick cash, and are suddenly crying poverty and innocence as the shit starts hitting the fan. Fuck all of you, you absolutely deserve it. You won't be getting any help from me or this forum.
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