The Most IMPORTANT Video You'll Ever See
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What is crap about it? He is mainly stating facts about population growth and how there is only so much oil, etc.
He is not saying that it will be impossible for humanity to adapt to it. He is urging humans to focus more on the type of innovations that you say will happen. He wants more focus on solar power and such, and is using real numbers to show why it is going to be necessary to do so.
You mention Gates as one of the brilliant people. Population growth and related issues are one of his big concerns.
Bill Gates on energy: Innovating to zero! | Video on TED.com
WTF Americas.. Do you really study this in College???
I thought every 11 year olds know this shit. How is this the Most Important Video you will ever see?? What was so surprising about the Rule Of 70?
PS: Have only started the Vid 1 of 8
I thought every 11 year olds know this shit. How is this the Most Important Video you will ever see?? What was so surprising about the Rule Of 70?
PS: Have only started the Vid 1 of 8
I don't have time right now to respond to everything and other posts above yet.
But if I said Gates was brilliant then that was not what I meant to say. I meant to include Gates and Jobs as those that implemented innovation. They were instrumental in making massive change happen. If either of them did not step up, someone else would have.
The world has the resources to feed and power itself many times over, but mismanagement of those resources, corruption, theft, wastage, lack of innovation, etc. etc. is the problem.
We throw away so much food on a per capita basis. We throw away so much unsold food, mostly produce and meats in the grocery stores. We over fish the oceans and a large percentage of what is caught never gets sold and goes to waste or is turned into fertilizer. African nations would rather wait for handouts than slaughter their own herds or grow their own produce. We continue to burn coal and oil when we have or are on the verge of having vastly more efficient means to power our infrastructure, we are just slow to develop and install them.
If we weren't such a greedy inefficient species we would be doing a whole lot better. This will have to change and it will, it will just take time. It will change before we have to start resorting to eating one another though, so stop talking bullshit and get back to work.
We throw away so much food on a per capita basis. We throw away so much unsold food, mostly produce and meats in the grocery stores. We over fish the oceans and a large percentage of what is caught never gets sold and goes to waste or is turned into fertilizer. African nations would rather wait for handouts than slaughter their own herds or grow their own produce. We continue to burn coal and oil when we have or are on the verge of having vastly more efficient means to power our infrastructure, we are just slow to develop and install them.
If we weren't such a greedy inefficient species we would be doing a whole lot better. This will have to change and it will, it will just take time. It will change before we have to start resorting to eating one another though, so stop talking bullshit and get back to work.
You are very naive.
If someone can provide STATISTICAL EVIDENCE and not your warm fuzzy feelings of why the Earth is not over populated and can be sustained at its current state I would love to look at it and will do so with an open mind.
Hope and dreams do nothing to change anything.
I am a lot of things, but naive is not one of them. I oftentimes act humble in STS because I do not have the energy to come back each time and refute every point. Do not mistake me for some 20, or even 30 year old that has not already lived life. Been there, done that. You name it and more than once.
You prove the Earth is overpopulated. I proved that there is plenty of geography - dispute any of the following.
1. There is abundant energy available with current technology. The future will no doubt increase the ways we get energy from these sources. The sun, wind, wave motion all without limit to their supply. Not to mention the limited sources, but still hundreds of years worth left, of oil, coal, and natural gas. Oh no, the sky is falling we are running out of energy. Bullshit. There is enough.
2. Agriculture. With current tech we can feed the world many times over. Most farms are not even being utilized properly. Go to many countries and see the under utilization of the land. I know several large rice farmers in the Sacramento Valley - the productivity that they have versus other areas is incredible. The tech they have yet to deploy could make their production skyrocket. Ag science is incredible. There is no limit to food. We could even farm the mountains, the oceans, irrigate and farm the deserts..... no limit.
3. Everything else can be made, manufactured, and developed using non food agriculture, the unlimited untapped energy, and the current technologies that have yet to be deployed.
5. Landfills - as we develop, and have been, 100% biodegradable items this will cease to be a problem.
6. Pollution. From what? Cars and factories? If we utilize the unlimited energy then a majority of their pollution will be eliminated. Then we just need to use more of that energy to assist in cleaning their manufacturing processes.
7. People. I already addressed this. There is abundant land for everyone.
8. You are worried about 200 years from now? I am certain they will be able to inhabit other planets by then.
What do you assume the growth rate to be anyway?
This is a great resource. Click countries like Germany and see the rate. They better stop what they are doing in Afghanistan though.
You see, the more industrialized, the lower the growth rate. Lower growth rate, even negative in the case for come countries significantly alters the exponential equation.
World Bank Population Growth Rate Interactive
This is a great resource. Click countries like Germany and see the rate. They better stop what they are doing in Afghanistan though.
You see, the more industrialized, the lower the growth rate. Lower growth rate, even negative in the case for come countries significantly alters the exponential equation.
World Bank Population Growth Rate Interactive
Thats the resource I have used. But, the more industrialized, yes the lower the growth rate, but the more resources used. If you compare the growth of the US with most African countries, yes we are lower, but the resources we consume are ten fold. And even with a low growth rate, trying to slow exponential growth at this point would be extremely hard.
REIMktg:
1-8. You think way too small. Is there abundant land for 100 Trillion people?
Stop pushing this point aside because the film on this page shows how it will happen far sooner than you think.
As for offloading them to other planets: It's been over 35 years since we last went to the nearest rock, and we learned while there that it's too difficult to mine and build a habitat there.
As I type this the very last NASA-funded space mission is in orbit. All the rest depend on private enterprise, and so far they've only found it (potentially) profitable to fly a few billionaires into a low earth orbit for 5 minutes.
We are a LONG way off from travelling to mars... As for going out of the solar system we won't likely ever given the vast interstellar distances that require a one-way trip for anyone involved. -So that is CERTAINLY not a way to reduce the surplus population.
Bottom line: Yes, we can slowly explore space, but moving trillions of people out there is NEVER. GOING. TO. HAPPEN.
Your faith is shocking in almost all points you have made on this thread.
You are advocating nothing more but sticking our collective heads in the sand and having faith in a god to get the next generation through their miserable lives we created for them.
1-8. You think way too small. Is there abundant land for 100 Trillion people?
Stop pushing this point aside because the film on this page shows how it will happen far sooner than you think.
As for offloading them to other planets: It's been over 35 years since we last went to the nearest rock, and we learned while there that it's too difficult to mine and build a habitat there.
As I type this the very last NASA-funded space mission is in orbit. All the rest depend on private enterprise, and so far they've only found it (potentially) profitable to fly a few billionaires into a low earth orbit for 5 minutes.
We are a LONG way off from travelling to mars... As for going out of the solar system we won't likely ever given the vast interstellar distances that require a one-way trip for anyone involved. -So that is CERTAINLY not a way to reduce the surplus population.
Bottom line: Yes, we can slowly explore space, but moving trillions of people out there is NEVER. GOING. TO. HAPPEN.
Your faith is shocking in almost all points you have made on this thread.
You are advocating nothing more but sticking our collective heads in the sand and having faith in a god to get the next generation through their miserable lives we created for them.
> Oh no, the sky is falling we are running out of energy. Bullshit. There is enough.
In my mind, that's not the issue. The issue is whether our relatively stable, prosperous societies can avoid partial or even complete collapse during a period of rapid adaption from total reliance on fossil fuel/plastic to total reliance on inferior, more expensive or resource intensive alternatives.
We don't even need to run out of fossil fuel. To destabilise our societies it just needs to become prohibitively expensive for the average person to use, and that point will obviously be reached way before the reserves are depleted.
In my mind, that's not the issue. The issue is whether our relatively stable, prosperous societies can avoid partial or even complete collapse during a period of rapid adaption from total reliance on fossil fuel/plastic to total reliance on inferior, more expensive or resource intensive alternatives.
We don't even need to run out of fossil fuel. To destabilise our societies it just needs to become prohibitively expensive for the average person to use, and that point will obviously be reached way before the reserves are depleted.
It doesn't matter. As long as it is positive, Moxie's point stands... We don't breed linearly, we breed like bacteria, and all population growth charts therefore look like hockey sticks.
Just to remind you again since you still haven't watched the vid:
Now if you add to this fact that the World Average IQ is FALLING, not rising, which means the lowering birth rate has to reverse it's trend sooner or later, you'll soon see a billion new people born every year... And then 3 billion, then 10 billion, etc, WITHIN OUR LIFETIME.