WAKE UP and EXERCISE your *CIVIL RIGHTS* NOW! Do NOT sleep through this election!

[REIMktg]

You're on record saying that peaceful relationships cannot work. That all relationships must necessarily be based on violence.

I am on record saying you cannot trust Mans nature. I have not ever said that "all" relationships, which of course I will give you the benefit my assumption of your contextual intent on the meaning of "relationships", must be backed by the extreme of "violence". Which I understand that you are using because you are taking it to the final meaning, just to be clear.

You cannot jump to "all" because that includes those that I would trust with my life or even a hundred million dollars. At the same time, some of these people that would be loyal to me would also slit anothers throat at the drop of a hat if the situation warranted it. But you can say that my daily expectation of civility in interactions is somewhat based on the premise that order is more likely because of the threat of violence.

My personal experience with the random and even inconsistent nature of Man as well as the bulk of history backs this position.

What gives you your blanket faith in others? I cannot fathom it.

 

[guerilla]

What gives you your blanket faith in others? I cannot fathom it.

You're a lousy Christian if you base your morality on faith in men instead of faith in God's word.

 

[guerilla]

But that's where your guys' entire argument for anarchy falls apart. Handing out brochures explaining the NAP to al-Quaeda, the KKK, Hells Angels, and the Russian military just isn't going to work.

I am not proposing handing out brochures.

When I cared, I would ask people like you why you endorse systems of violence, not those dramatic expressions you listed, but the more mundane ones.

As long as you can hide behind boogeymen, you'll continue to absolve yourself of any personal responsibility or adherence to some form of rational morality. That's why my posts piss so many people off. It's not funny when someone calls them on their delusions. So much easier to pretend reality is a fantasy and that everyone is just doing what they can within a system they have never questioned. Like good little slaves.

Like REIMTKG, a lack of personal accountability is your get out of jail free card. You don't have to be good, because you can point at all the evil in the world and say, "What's the point?"

I can see that argument, but then be honest, abandon any notion of values and embrace nihilism. Don't get into discussions about values, and then make the argument values don't matter, while maintaining your own sense of values. That's contradictory, and quite frankly, very stupid.

 

[Kiopa_Matt]

Like REIMTKG, a lack of personal accountability is your get out of jail free card. You don't have to be good, because you can point at all the evil in the world and say, "What's the point?"

So I neither, have personal accountability, or am a good person because I don't believe anarchy is the way to go?

Nonetheless, if your theories on human nature are true, then we would have had world peace millenniums ago. Probably wouldn't be anywhere close to as technologically advanced though. As I've said before, that raw creativity and ambition that drove Hitler to try for a world without Jews, is the same raw creativity and ambition that allowed us to recently land a rover on Mars. You can't have one without the other, as ambition doesn't know morality.

And... I just realized I'm debating anarchy again on WF. I'm out!

 

[jacky8]

What common future?

No future because no free threads :uhoh2:

 

[JakeStratham]

3 responses I recently received:

Me: What do you think of Obama?
Knucklehead: He's terrible.
Me: Why?
Knucklehead: Cuz he's for homosexuals.


Me: So, Romney... What do you think?
Idiot: I like him.
Me: Why?
Idiot: He's a businessman. He knows we're in trouble, and he's the one who can pull us out.


Me: Obama or Romney? Who do you like?
Slave: They both stink. Obama is bankrupting us and Romney ain't going to create jobs.
Me: So, you're not going to vote?
Slave: You gotta vote.


lol good grief.

 

[guerilla]

So I neither, have personal accountability, or am a good person because I don't believe anarchy is the way to go?

Is that what I wrote?

You don't have a consistent morality. That's your problem, not mine. But it does make you a joke in these discussions.

As far as a theory about human nature, I don't think I have one. I do however like to point out that all of the people who say humans are bad, seem to exclude themselves from that analysis. Apparently they are *exceptional*.

 

[guerilla]

No future because no free threads :uhoh2:

Right, because I couldn't afford $36 for a thread but I can afford to put on free webinars.
DERP DERP DERP
I've dropped more money on development than you have probably earned this year.

Thankfully, most of the decent posters @ WF moved to Skype 2 years ago.

 

[mkultra]

Guerilla, aren't there more pressing matters that require your attention up in Canada?

$20 million in maple syrup stolen in Quebec recovered in N.B.

 

[jacky8]

Right, because I couldn't afford $36 for a thread but I can afford to put on free webinars.

You really think you did everyone a favor with your webinars? Why don't you move to warrior forum or back to dp where you belong?

muahahaha

:evil_laughter:

:rainfro:

:1orglaugh:

You were building a list to push your revolutionary directory site. Accept it already

DERP DERP DERP I've dropped more money on development than you have probably earned this year.

Thankfully, most of the decent posters @ WF moved to Skype 2 years ago.

Keep thinking that if it makes you feel "elitist", but apparently, you are too much of a peasant to afford $36 :evil_laughter:

 

[jacky8]

Nothing substantive, as usual. More whining and avoiding the topic. No logic, no reasoning, no facts. Just BLA BLA BLA.

DERP DERP DERP.

Oh btw, Christ's philosophy is voluntaryism. Try reading the Bible sometime.


Well, if I am wrong, you only have to engage what I have written. And yet my critics always resort to talking about the "real world" or "real life" than pointing out the (supposed) obvious fallacies of what I write.

Why is that? If I am not elite compared to you, shouldn't you be able to take me down a notch directly, without these pathetic attempts to undermine my position without addressing it?

Like voluntaryism, or anarchism, or any form of intelligent thinking, you simply do not do it. You prefer to stay ignorant, and short cut the work of deconstructing and constructing with logic and reason.


I don't care if you think I am smart. I don't go to the zoo to perform for the monkeys amigo. Never forget who is on which side of the bars.


It doesn't matter. The world is full of useful idiots like you and pewep. The power of reason can't overcome the violence and immortality of millions (billions) of dangerous animals.

You're winning the race to the bottom and are too lazy and stupid to stop and question it. So I have decided to laugh as we all plunge into the pit. At least one of us will get some fun out of this.

You talk a lot about yourself all the time

Good luck bro

 

[guerilla]

You really think you did everyone a favor with your webinars?

I don't know what everyone thinks. I just know what people had to say about them.

http://www.wickedfire.com/traffic-content/153567-webinar-how-build-backlinks-hand.html

http://www.wickedfire.com/traffic-content/155020-webinar-how-build-backlinks-hand-part-ii.html

I know that they lead to a lot of consulting offers I couldn't afford to do. I know they lead to a ton of new relationships that have already paid off for me. And I know several people who applied what I talked about and got significant traffic improvements.

Have you done anything remotely comparable at Wickedfire? lol

You were building a list to push your revolutionary directory site. Accept it already

I built up a list of people who helped me build it, have tested it, and will be affiliates for it.

You're really confused if you think that Wickedfire is my target market.

Keep thinking that if it makes you feel "elitist", but apparently, you are too much of a peasant to afford $36 :evil_laughter:

And yet, I have probably spent more money this year on development and marketing than you have earned. So really, who is the peasant?

 

[REIMktg]

What gives you your blanket faith in others? I cannot fathom it.

You're a lousy Christian if you base your morality on faith in men instead of faith in God's word.

Clearly there is a disconnect here. I do not have faith in man, that was clear in the post above these quotes. The question you responded to was asking about your faith in others, not mine. It seems you interpreted the question with an assumption that I did have faith in Man. This would contradict the entire post I had just made, but because you have such a low view of my intelligence, that probably did not surprise you. Yet you were wrong. I am asking about your faith in others to serve as the foundation of your proposed system.

As long as you can hide behind boogeymen, you'll continue to absolve yourself of any personal responsibility or adherence to some form of rational morality. That's why my posts piss so many people off. It's not funny when someone calls them on their delusions. So much easier to pretend reality is a fantasy and that everyone is just doing what they can within a system they have never questioned. Like good little slaves.

Like REIMTKG, a lack of personal accountability is your get out of jail free card. You don't have to be good, because you can point at all the evil in the world and say, "What's the point?"

I can see that argument, but then be honest, abandon any notion of values and embrace nihilism. Don't get into discussions about values, and then make the argument values don't matter, while maintaining your own sense of values. That's contradictory, and quite frankly, very stupid.

Where are you going with this? Lack of personal accountability? How is it that I am not accountable by pointing out that Man cannot be trusted and systems should be designed with this basic understanding. It is great to embrace and or attempt to make a better world, but make certain that design takes into account the proven characteristics and behaviors of Man. That's what I am saying. A system that relies on Man's nature for its foundation will always fail.

This is not my "get out of jail free card" it is simply a flaw in the design of your system. You do not account for it and fail to see how your societal structure will implode.

In addition to this I can easily forsee a system where voluntary associations serve the foundation will also turn into something entirely different as the intelligent float to the top and the less intelligent constantly make voluntary deals to their disadvantage, over time leaving themselves destitute and then working, voluntarily of course, as a type of sharecropper or company town worker for others. This leads to a society without child labor laws and on and on and on. A situation that was fixed within this Country's current constitutional system and yet how would it be fixed in the Voluntaryists system?

 

[guerilla]

You talk a lot about yourself all the time

Good luck bro

One day when you do things that other people care about (love or hate) they will talk about you. Until then, you'll just keep talking about me.

 

[guerilla]

How is it that I am not accountable by pointing out that Man cannot be trusted and systems should be designed with this basic understanding.

If you believed this you wouldn't believe in the state because if you can't trust man, there is no reason for you to give him power over you.

Hence, anarchism, anarcho-capitalism. If you can't trust people, you're better off only having voluntary relationships, and avoiding all non-consensual ones. Competition between those we would have act as our agents. Choice. Redundancy. Innovation.

Of course, you'll make some idiotic argument about Constitutions and laws and checks and balances.

How has that been working out for you?

The whole notion of voting, or organizing politically (by force and deceit) means that if you want to be effective, the incentive is to be the most deceitful and most violent. Indeed, politics attracts the worst, rather than the best people in society.

But hey, keep voting. Keepdupporting a regime of theft and violence. Whatever floats your boat. It's your world, you'll burn in it too.

I am asking about your faith in others to serve as the foundation of your proposed system.

I don't need faith in others. I only need to understand economics.

Do you need faith in others to be a Christian? Would you only be a Christian if other people thought it was a good idea?

Ethics aren't based on popularity.

 

[jacky8]

I don't know what everyone thinks. I just know what people had to say about them.

http://www.wickedfire.com/traffic-content/153567-webinar-how-build-backlinks-hand.html

http://www.wickedfire.com/traffic-content/155020-webinar-how-build-backlinks-hand-part-ii.html

I know that they lead to a lot of consulting offers I couldn't afford to do. I know they lead to a ton of new relationships that have already paid off for me. And I know several people who applied what I talked about and got significant traffic improvements.

Have you done anything remotely comparable at Wickedfire? lol

I built up a list of people who helped me build it, have tested it, and will be affiliates for it.

And yet you were too much of a peasant to pay $36 per 2 weeks :evil_laughter:

You're really confused if you think that Wickedfire is my target market.

I think DP is a better market for you. You also get paid $10 per month for your sig there. You're a true baller bro :thumbsup:

And yet, I have probably spent more money this year on development and marketing than you have earned. So really, who is the peasant?

Thinking that you're the biggest baller here must make you feel good amirite?

You saved many times $36. That is more bucks in your savings account!

One day when you do things that other people care about (love or hate) they will talk about you. Until then, you'll just keep talking about me.

You are the biggest butthurt on this forum bro. Do you realize that yet?

 

[guerilla]

And yet you were too much of a peasant to pay $36 per 2 weeks :evil_laughter:

When Wickedfire ran banner ads here, we dropped thousands in this forum. There may be a dozen other people who have put as much money into WF as I have.

Thinking that you're the biggest baller here must make you feel good amirite?

That's what's funny. You don't even know the people here who make a lot of money.

I've never claimed to be a baller, I just don't have a peasant mentality, which explains why you are trolling me, and I am not trolling you.

You are the biggest butthurt on this forum bro. Do you realize that yet?

You're the only one who cares. I don't.

Again, the action is on skype son. People come on Wickedfire to post random shit and troll. Almost no one does business here anymore, including me.

 

[jacky8]

When Wickedfire ran banner ads here, we dropped thousands in this forum. There may be a dozen other people who have put as much money into WF as I have.

Sorry bro, you sound like a perfect "peasant baller".

Guess I invented a new term just for you :uhoh2:

You made 6 - 7 figures off of this forum alone when it was free to post everywhere.. Now when they ask a small amount, you are all butthurt about it.

I can sum it up for you in a picture

Jon, can you switch back to the free-for-everything days? People are really hating wf now

That's what's funny. You don't even know the people here who make a lot of money.

You don't even know anything about me. Maybe ask others who do

I've never claimed to be a baller, I just don't have a peasant mentality, which explains why you are trolling me, and I am not trolling you.

You're the only one who cares. I don't.

Again, the action is on skype son. People come on Wickedfire to post random shit and troll. Almost no one does business here anymore, including me.

You do imply that you're a baller.

Define "know" :uhoh2: I certainly don't have gay relationship with anyone, if that is what you imply

And finally, yes. No business on wickedfire now Cry away bro. I know why. Already summed it up for you

 

[pewep]

guys, seriously don't bother waste time arguing with guerilla, he's way too hard headed to see any facts that oppose his reasonably. he simply is not able to.

 

[guerilla]

You don't even know anything about me. Maybe ask others who do

Who knows you?