want proof of how FuckedUP Health care in the US is?
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thats another BS lie the media and health cos want you to believe There are Canadians that do cross over to get things done but they are the few and and mostly go for selective surgery or simply to cut back in waiting.
No canadian will go to the US to pay for a liver transplant.
So you think that those who can't pay a "reasonable" price for it should have the right to get care?1NO....I think it is not. However. I think ANYBODY that can't pay a reasonable price for it should get care.. good care as anybody else.
If you take a look at Trademark's link you'll find lots of disgraceful happenings in those other countries' public health systems.
So grocery stores profiting from man's hunger is wrong too? And what line has to be drawn: do you mean where you have to impose rights to health care?2
America's private health care system is not a free market. A free market means men's mutual agreements; it does not rely on subsidies and government regulations. Now, you say unregulated - what about all the FDA regulations?
That's odd, I've never had a problem seeing a decent doctor downtown Vancouver at one of the clinics there (which were still private practices when I left 5 years ago), one in Yaletown and one on Robson St. Aside from a couple of occasions on Robson, usually one or two person waits, nice doctors, clean modern facilities. Those would be the kind of places people with regular subsidized BC medical go, people on welfare, etc.
My mother has been seeing the same doctor in Coquitlam just about my entire life. It's true that she complains service isn't what it once was (he used to do house calls back in the day for example) but she still gets looked after.
You know nothing about what you are saying here. I know people personally who come from Toronto to Buffalo for surgery for the speed and overall quality of the care itself. They can afford to.
If I needed it and could afford it I would too. It only makes sense to have a hybrid system whereby if you can afford to pay for your care through private channels then you should be able to do so. Obviously there are going to be problems with such a model, but fuck whatever.
Money is power. What's the point of working hard all your life for that power if you can't use it to get shit done?
How many people in the US are going without needed bypass surgeries altogether? Maybe the fact that many people here go without, is a factor in the shorter waiting times?
isnt that exactly what I said? I don't think rich people that pay for surgery out of their own pocket are really relevant here.
im all for the choice to pay if you want to... but there has to be another option.. a hybrid system like FatBat said
During a townhall in Waukon, IA Tuesday, Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) was asked by a constituent of his: “Why is your insurance so much cheaper than my insurance and so better than my insurance?” When Grassley struggled to explain the details of his own health care plan, the elderly man followed up, “Okay, so how come I can’t have the same thing you have?” Grassley said, “You can. Just go work for the federal government.”
Here in LA county, if you break your leg and go to the ER to get fixed up, you can tell them you don't have insurance and you're broke as a joke and they'll give you a form to fill out and have you pay like $50 and then you're out the door. No further bill to worry about.
That's what my mom tells me, anyway. She's a nurse in a dilapidated county hospital.
That's what my mom tells me, anyway. She's a nurse in a dilapidated county hospital.
Our healthcare here is shitty. We pay the highest costs for it. I don't think we need to make it public but I think we need to put in a lot of regulations to make it much more efficient such as don't charge $2,000 to put someone to sleep when the doctor is in the room 5 minutes and the gas costs $30, still make a profit but instead of charging $2k charge $1k.
Do some research because that statement is false. I lived in the UK for 5 years and used the NHS (and I'm not even British!) so I know you're full of shit.
You obviously have no idea how economics works. You're not just paying for the gas, you're paying for the doctor's salary, which is as high as it is because he spent years and years in medical school.
It's the same reason why prescription meds are so expensive. You're not paying for the pill, you're paying for the all the research that went into making the pill.
It is also why the American system is worse than the Brittish, Irish, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand and Cuban systems.
Sure America has some great hospitals for the rich. But for the average American the system sucks, especially if you can't afford it.
thats bs... then the whole system has to be fixed... the salaries are out on control.. and so is education and drugs and cost of sresearch
To those of you who support "affordable" government-mandated health care for everyone...
I'm curious. Let's assume there are only 3 ways to pay for it (despite what our king says)...
- borrow
- print
- tax
Given a choice, which would you prefer? And why?
I'm curious. Let's assume there are only 3 ways to pay for it (despite what our king says)...
- borrow
- tax
Given a choice, which would you prefer? And why?
HarveyJ
He is - THE CACTUS!
We have a hybrid system here.
Works great.
I pay $55 a year for ambulance cover, and that's it. Everything major, like a broken arm, or having emergency dental was covered by the State, and I was seen to with a wait time that was pretty low. I think an hour for the arm as it wasn't a bad break and I was being medicated. The missus was seen to immediately when she thought she'd broken her back (just a nasty sprain after a fall). My mother was seen to as soon as the ambulance arrived at the hospital when she had gaul stones.
I pay out of pocket to see my dentist for checkups, because basic dental maintenance and fashionable frames are not covered by the state (I could get lame frames for free though), and it's cheaper than getting insurance here... because if you only need dental and optical, it's cheaper to pay out of pocket than to get insured and pay the excess.
If I paid insurance and had a major operation to be done, I'd get the same level of treatment from the same specialists in the same hospital. The difference would be in the in pre and post care. I'd get a nicer room if I went private, and probably an additional set of follow up consultations... That's about it really.
The obvious solution is a hybrid system.
People that want better treatment can pay for better treatment. People that can't afford still get basic cover.
Works great.
I pay $55 a year for ambulance cover, and that's it. Everything major, like a broken arm, or having emergency dental was covered by the State, and I was seen to with a wait time that was pretty low. I think an hour for the arm as it wasn't a bad break and I was being medicated. The missus was seen to immediately when she thought she'd broken her back (just a nasty sprain after a fall). My mother was seen to as soon as the ambulance arrived at the hospital when she had gaul stones.
I pay out of pocket to see my dentist for checkups, because basic dental maintenance and fashionable frames are not covered by the state (I could get lame frames for free though), and it's cheaper than getting insurance here... because if you only need dental and optical, it's cheaper to pay out of pocket than to get insured and pay the excess.
If I paid insurance and had a major operation to be done, I'd get the same level of treatment from the same specialists in the same hospital. The difference would be in the in pre and post care. I'd get a nicer room if I went private, and probably an additional set of follow up consultations... That's about it really.
The obvious solution is a hybrid system.
People that want better treatment can pay for better treatment. People that can't afford still get basic cover.
Spend some times in hospitals for working class Norwegians and then compare them to hospitals that deal with working Class Americans....then I'll ask you to answer that question.....
One of my best friends is an American trade Swede who's done volunteer work in the USA and Scandinavia - a top tier degree, she could command any market price she wants....she could tell you a thing or two about health care systems in both country and all this for profit rubbish when it comes to the basic well-being of a country's citizenry....