Went to a rally today

But don't lie about what it obviously says in order to soothe your nagging conscience.


lol, ok buddy, carry on then. Dodge every point in my post, claim there is some unified thread that runs through all 66 books, then say that because I disagree with you that the bible is fairly clear in regards to hell that that its only because I have a nagging conscience.

You debate like a child.
 


i fucking love that all these racist retard libertarians are going out to protest what's already been finished. the US finally got motherfuckin' healthcare reform!! weee!!!! hahahaha maybe some of the people you met were really democrats just pretending to be racist to piss you off and derail the whole goddamn thing for the lulz. haha, i hope so.
 
I don't try to instruct fags in sucking dick. Why are athiest trying to instruct me on how to interpret the bible?

Why the fuck are you wana be athiest wasting what little time you have left in existence, posting on a stupid Internet forum.
 
You can believe the Bible or not, or believe whatever you want, I'm not sure how much you've read the actual text itself, but it becomes pretty clear if you get in depth that that's its main message. I don't really care if people believe it or not, but the text itself is fairly clear as to what it asserts. But like I said, you can believe whatever you want.

You make some notable points.

Mainly I was portraying the fact that many passages in the bible are not to be taken so literally. If that was the case, then the argument could be made that God drives a Plymouth (when removing Adam & Eve from the Garden of Eden it states he "drove them out in his fury" or something to that effect). Absurd? Sure. But there are countless illustrations, parables and lessons based on figurative nomenclature in the bible so what is to be taken literally?

On the issue of hell and eternity, I believe the finality of it has more to do with being removed from God's favor and thus having no chance for whatever resurrection/afterlife he may have in store for the near or distant future than being sent to a place of punishment. Banishment in the eyes of God and losing his favor seems like punishment enough. He created us, hence he can remove us.
 
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All signifying the finality of death. Removal from existence .... returned to the dust.

I'm really not appreciating you making side with hellblazer here, but I really don't get what your saying. It's pretty clear from those passages that hell is a place or at the very least a form of existence and not the opposite or the removal from existence. But that's if you're going to go literal. If your going to view the bible as metaphorical hell could be anything. It could just be the absence of God/love/light. So non existence....oh, is that what your getting at? Hell for those who don't believe (or whatever the rule is) is non existence? and those who get the gold star get to move on to another existence?

EDIT: NM just read your post above me. I nailed it! Can I have a gold star???
 
lol, ok buddy, carry on then. Dodge every point in my post, claim there is some unified thread that runs through all 66 books, then say that because I disagree with you that the bible is fairly clear in regards to hell that that its only because I have a nagging conscience.

You debate like a child.

You made no points. You're full of confused second-hand theories. No offense, but you expect your ideas to be respected when you clearly know nothing about the subject matter. I sit and wonder why someone who clearly hasn't read the entire Bible would so vehemently assert what it does and doesn't say, why they would appear to have such a vested interest in the nature of a supposed work of fiction.

And the only reason I can think of is that it bothers you; perhaps I'm wrong, but I can see no other reason why an open-minded person would cling to an absurd assertion in the face of mountains of evidence to the contrary. But that's for you to figure out for yourself.

I know Zeros generally approaches things with an open mind, so I'll give him the time of day. But you are filled with so many preconceptions, biases, and agendas that you will attempt to frame the facts to fit your paradigm no matter what; you're so predictable that I don't expect an original thought, it's a waste of time, I already know what you're going to say. So don't get your panties in a twist when your regurgitated "theories" are brushed aside like they should be. It's a consequence of your chosen reality.

the finality of it has more to do with being removed from God's favor and thus having no chance for whatever resurrection/afterlife he may have in store...

Ok, so now you think there might be an afterlife? I'm not busting your balls, just seeing if you changed your mind about that possibility. :)
 
you are filled with so many preconceptions, biases, and agendas that you will attempt to frame the facts to fit your paradigm no matter what; you're so predictable that I don't expect an original thought, it's a waste of time, I already know what you're going to say. So don't get your panties in a twist when your regurgitated "theories" are brushed aside like they should be. It's a consequence of your chosen reality.

That goes for you too, you are predictable, filled with many preconceptions and come off as close minded.

Lol so you simply pick and choose what parts of the Bible you believe? That's no insult, I've just never heard of anyone doing that.

Your words basically assert that you blindly follow and believe everything written in the bible. Pardon me if thinking that might be close minded but it's 2010 and I personally have made a few adaptations to the conventional train of thought since the time the bible was transcribed.
 
Ok, so now you think there might be an afterlife? I'm not busting your balls, just seeing if you changed your mind about that possibility. :)

LOL, actually I was waiting for this. In short, no ... but, God is the all-powerful and if his purpose for the Earth ever changes, he can do that. It's his prerogative.

I believe God has a much higher purpose for mankind but I don't believe it's just as simple as a heaven or hell route. God created life so he can bring you back to life once you are dead (your eternal soul). If he condemns you to "hell" then you have lost all favor and your soul is in essence 'forgotten' by God (written off - 'returned to dust').
 
You made no points. You're full of confused second-hand theories. No offense, but you expect your ideas to be respected when you clearly know nothing about the subject matter. I sit and wonder why someone who clearly hasn't read the entire Bible would so vehemently assert what it does and doesn't say, why they would appear to have such a vested interest in the nature of a supposed work of fiction.

And the only reason I can think of is that it bothers you; perhaps I'm wrong, but I can see no other reason why an open-minded person would cling to an absurd assertion in the face of mountains of evidence to the contrary. But that's for you to figure out for yourself.

I know Zeros generally approaches things with an open mind, so I'll give him the time of day. But you are filled with so many preconceptions, biases, and agendas that you will attempt to frame the facts to fit your paradigm no matter what; you're so predictable that I don't expect an original thought, it's a waste of time, I already know what you're going to say. So don't get your panties in a twist when your regurgitated "theories" are brushed aside like they should be. It's a consequence of your chosen reality.

You're a little kid, I doubt you are 20 years old. You try so hard to appear intelligent and it comes off like the high school student trying desperately to fit in. Its sad and I've grown tired of it. Lecture me when you gain some life experience.

I've read the bible, did make concrete points about both its nature and its subjectivity, and don't care if you think my arguments are original. Every time we have a serious discussion here you reach a point where you go off on attacking whether my arguments are original and punt. I could show you 10 threads where you have done this. There is no point to engaging you, you have no backbone to stand and debate.
 
I wanted to throw in for any of those people confused....

Any libertarian that wants the government to pick or promote a religion is NOT a libertarian.

They are just a disenfranchised republican who doesn't think that the GOP is far right enough and all the sudden they think they are a libertarian now.

The whole point of true libertarianism is to allow the individual the freedoms to make whatever choices they want.
 
I wanted to throw in for any of those people confused....

Any libertarian that wants the government to pick or promote a religion is NOT a libertarian.

They are just a disenfranchised republican who doesn't think that the GOP is far right enough and all the sudden they think they are a libertarian now.

The whole point of true libertarianism is to allow the individual the freedoms to make whatever choices they want.

libertarians = undercover liberals


not serious, I just want you all at each others throats
 
You're a little kid, I doubt you are 20 years old. You try so hard to appear intelligent and it comes off like the high school student trying desperately to fit in. Its sad and I've grown tired of it. Lecture me when you gain some life experience.

I've read the bible, did make concrete points about both its nature and its subjectivity, and don't care if you think my arguments are original. Every time we have a serious discussion here you reach a point where you go off on attacking whether my arguments are original and punt. I could show you 10 threads where you have done this. There is no point to engaging you, you have no backbone to stand and debate.


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Libs= pimp ass mother fuckers

Libs= internet kid / sheltered academic / black racist / 60's radical / wana be athiest- no common sence - psuedo intellectual - feels good do it mentallity - self important - racist and classist - hates US - spiritually and morally bankrupt - a mindless follower