Why does Obama want Healthcare reform so bad?



Yeah, he's a real tool. Not to mention his so called health reform is going to end up bone rodding the middle class even more. I haven't seen one bit of transparency. All they did was throw up a FLOG on the whitehouse website.
 
I can't speak to issues of celebrity (Obama vs. Bush vs. Palin vs. Hannity ad infinitum). But, I will say this...

This "mistake" can only happen in a political system that refuses to recognize private property as existing outside the claws and tentacles of exploitation.
 
Ron Paul received around $750,000 from the same groups. Keep in mind that Paul raised $35 million total, while Obama had $750 million.

3 out of 4 doctors want some type of "change" and over half of that $20 million came from health care workers.

Health insurance and drug companies don't want "change" and they've been spending $20 million every two weeks to lobby against it.
 
Moxie said:
3 out of 4 doctors want some type of "change"
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Wrong. Wife is an RN and everyone she works with, including doctors, don't want the type of "change" Obama has in mind. What he wants could only mean lower wages for healthcare professionals.
 
This bill in it's current form is shit that has been thrown agaisnt the wall hoping to stick. This whole bill is now about just getting something passed so BO and the rest of the sheep can yell "SUCCESS". Thats it! this bill is not only unconstituional but will raise health care cost for everyone while lowering pay for health proffesionals.

Really I am shocked. Their is no reasonable person with an education over the 8th grade that believes this bill to be benefitial to the American people. It is really hard for me to believe the libfucks and the admin believe this to be a good bill and the very best that they can come up with. If they honestly do...then BO is not as smart as all the sheep believe him to be.
 
dreamache said:
Wrong. Wife is an RN and everyone she works with, including doctors, don't want the type of "change" Obama has in mind. What he wants could only mean lower wages for healthcare professionals.
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I said "some type of" as we're talking about campaign contributions, which may have been made with hopes they would lead to changes they wanted. Levels of support for what actually ended up in the bills is something different.

Most U.S. doctors want public-private mix: poll | Reuters

Politics aside, doctors universally fed up with insurers
 
popeye said:
This bill in it's current form is shit that has been thrown agaisnt the wall hoping to stick. This whole bill is now about just getting something passed so BO and the rest of the sheep can yell "SUCCESS". Thats it! this bill is not only unconstituional but will raise health care cost for everyone while lowering pay for health proffesionals.

Really I am shocked. Their is no reasonable person with an education over the 8th grade that believes this bill to be benefitial to the American people. It is really hard for me to believe the libfucks and the admin believe this to be a good bill and the very best that they can come up with. If they honestly do...then BO is not as smart as all the sheep believe him to be.
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No popeye, that's not what it's about. It's about setting up a structure for mandatory insurance, and a structure whereby the government can assume more powers to control the people via a 'healthcare' mechanism.

Connect everyday things to a 'healthcare' cost, use your newly acquired power of controlling costs to then dictate to the people what they can/cannot do. For just one example, say they come out with a 'study' saying gun violence is hiking healthcare costs. With their new powers of 'regulation', they could impose draconian limits on gun ownership. This could theoretically extend to all kinds of area. Now we're seeing the FDA try to decide how much salt we can eat; who said the fucking government could tell me what to eat???

I don't get how people can't see this. It has nothing to do with healthcare. It's about getting control over people. The more you offer 'free services' to the people, the more they become accustomed, i.e. enslaved to you for providing them. You've just created a built-in voting bloc that depends on you for their 'perks'. It's about the Dems trying to build a power structure for eternal control. It's traditional bribe/servitude/indebtedness tactics, except on a national scale.
 
hellblazer said:
No popeye, that's not what it's about. It's about setting up a structure for mandatory insurance, and a structure whereby the government can assume more powers to control the people via a 'healthcare' mechanism.

Connect everyday things to a 'healthcare' cost, use your newly acquired power of controlling costs to then dictate to the people what they can/cannot do. For just one example, say they come out with a 'study' saying gun violence is hiking healthcare costs. With their new powers of 'regulation', they could impose draconian limits on gun ownership. This could theoretically extend to all kinds of area. Now we're seeing the FDA try to decide how much salt we can eat; who said the fucking government could tell me what to eat???

I don't get how people can't see this. It has nothing to do with healthcare. It's about getting control over people. The more you offer 'free services' to the people, the more they become accustomed, i.e. enslaved to you for providing them. You've just created a built-in voting bloc that depends on you for their 'perks'. It's about the Dems trying to build a power structure for eternal control. It's traditional bribe/servitude/indebtedness tactics, except on a national scale.
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I do believe what you stated is true and that was the intention of the bill to begin with. Now they are gona go with ANYTHING no matter what the cost in hopes it will pass. Once passed they can fiddle with it how they like.

Once you get enough sheeple on the free stuff you have an automatic voter base that will do anything to keep you in power to ensure they continue to get free stuff.

This is why the failing inner cities continue to vote for the democratic party. They are failing as a city but continue to get their "checks" and vote for the democratic party to ensure that they CONTINUE to get their "checks"
 
Basically this bill is bigger than the bible, and I guarantee you there is some clause that says, "Obama and company are intitled to more tax payer money directly to their bank accounts.

Im not against free health care, but I am against a bill where anyone can slip in anything they want for their own agenda, WHICH IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN if this bill gets passed.

Fuck all politicians.... God damn I wish I was one.
 
I thought this video pretty much explains it

The stock market is priced into the future, believe me they've read the bill
they have no fear of a public option.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8R8baHPr2E"]YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.[/ame]
 
johnysc430 said:
I thought this video pretty much explains it

The stock market is priced into the future, believe me they've read the bill
they have no fear of a public option.

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.
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I guess I will have to add Morning Meeting to my "must watch list". Pure gold here. I didn't think MSNBC had it in them.

See even a right wing partison can "watch the other channel"....can the left wing partisons say the same???

I will say this though.....I have made moves in the insurance industry in case this bill goes live. I will lose freedoms if this bill passes but I will make some considerable cash if it does pass.
 
hellblazer said:
No popeye, that's not what it's about. It's about setting up a structure for mandatory insurance, and a structure whereby the government can assume more powers to control the people via a 'healthcare' mechanism.

Connect everyday things to a 'healthcare' cost, use your newly acquired power of controlling costs to then dictate to the people what they can/cannot do. For just one example, say they come out with a 'study' saying gun violence is hiking healthcare costs. With their new powers of 'regulation', they could impose draconian limits on gun ownership. This could theoretically extend to all kinds of area. Now we're seeing the FDA try to decide how much salt we can eat; who said the fucking government could tell me what to eat???

I don't get how people can't see this. It has nothing to do with healthcare. It's about getting control over people. The more you offer 'free services' to the people, the more they become accustomed, i.e. enslaved to you for providing them. You've just created a built-in voting bloc that depends on you for their 'perks'. It's about the Dems trying to build a power structure for eternal control. It's traditional bribe/servitude/indebtedness tactics, except on a national scale.
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It was libertarian all of the way up to the second last sentence.

The Dems are building up THE power structure that they share in turns with the Republicans. You can be sure some Republican will continue to use the same rationales you pointed out.

But the first part is brilliant libertarian analysis for sure. Good job.
 
hellblazer said:
It's about the Dems trying to build a power structure for eternal control. It's traditional bribe/servitude/indebtedness tactics, except on a national scale.
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Dems and reps are the same thing....


Ron Paul FTW!
 
Trigger said:
Dems and reps are the same thing....
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If they were the same thing, we wouldn't have seen the Stupak amendment, we wouldn't have seen the Nelson or Landrieu bribe, we wouldn't see the DNC panicking over Massachusetts. If Dems and Reps were the same thing, this bill would have been passed. And the only possible counter-argument is that the Repubs didn't cooperate with the Dems, not because of philosophical differences, but because of political calculations.

Aside from being unprovable, I find that assertion patently ridiculous. I still have faith that the GOP can be reformed to true conservatism; in fact, it is not THAT far off from getting there. I still don't buy this Dem=Repub bullshit - the majority of Dems are socialists, and the majority of Repubs are conservatives. They are philosophical opposites, they are diametrically opposed. I'm sick of the Republican fiscal irresponsibility, but I'm not prepared to say that's endemic of a broader pattern of fiscal liberalism within the Republican Party.

Both this healthcare boondoggle and the upcoming amnesty push are designed to solidify Democrat control of government. Yes, some Republicans are hardly different from their Dem counterparts(McCain, Graham, etc..), but they oppose this bill, they oppose increased entitlements, and they oppose taking this liberty away from the people.

If Republicans were the same as Democrats, we wouldn't see Obama, Pelosi, and Reid frantically trying to find a way to pass this travesty. 'Nuff said.
 
I didn't mean that all republicans=democrat.

I would say most middleclass repubs are conservative.

What I meant was if you are running for the presidency, the title you assign yourself aka dem or repub doesn't matter. Both are pushing BIG GOVERNMENT VIEW POINT which isn't conservative..


I am a libertarian btw
 
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I'd love to reply to this with a well researched and properly cited response, but a few things stand in my way

a) we never get any such responses from you retards
b) it wouldn't change your minds anyway
c) knowing that healthcare reform is about to pass anyway, it's much funnier to watch you idiots and your futile crying about it

with that said, i'll be grabbing my popcorn and observing from here on out.
 
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