Zensix hosting = FAIL

two pages over shared hosting.

if you value your domains and privacy, you'd spend $130~ a month or whatever the fuck it is, and buy a cheap dedicated server.

you fucking bitches can't afford $130 a month for hosting? get with the program.

but then again...half you idiots would probably run your sites off your iphone if you could.
 


wezcountry said:
- Scrapers and autoblogs

If you currently run a site that automatically scrapes sites like eBay, Craigslist, etc... and turns that scraped content into new posts on your site, that's a scraper/autoblog and you're breaking the terms of service.
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What the hell is wrong with scrapers? The scraped sites don't know they're being scraped and it's just a tiny bit of extra bandwidth. :uhoh2:
 
extor said:
What the hell is wrong with scrapers? The scraped sites don't know they're being scraped and it's just a tiny bit of extra bandwidth. :uhoh2:
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So far today I've found over 30 sites that scrape data 24/7 and create 1,000+ Wordpress pages per day... and I haven't even looked that hard yet. Suspending just those sites freed up 2 cores and dropped the load on an 8-core Xeon below 1.00.

So what's wrong with them? People are fucking retarded and don't know to limit their usage.
 
(O_o) said:
technically you can run an apache web server off a jailbroken iPhone FYI
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Common... let the man be presumptuous on technical aspects because he has money yet lacks technical skills. :moon:

FYI, many of us $10/year hosting clients do have real servers (1 dedi, 2 VPS and about 15 shared accounts). The world is more complex than your presumptions allow you to appreciate. I do run a scrapper site with senzix (sorry subigo, I'll get it off), but I do take care not to have it post too often, and of course I use cache'ing. :crying:

I like zensix, but I wouldn't buy from them again (I have a number of accounts), because I don't like getting sold off. Having to change servers is a pain the ass for me, and my time is becoming more and more valuable, so I'd rather lose $xxx/year to a more stable solution.

They are awesome for those just starting and into SEO networks/who host local business sites with little to no traffic.
 
greenleaves said:
Common... let the man be presumptuous on technical aspects because he has money yet lacks technical skills. :moon:

FYI, many of us $10/year hosting clients do have real servers (1 dedi, 2 VPS and about 15 shared accounts). The world is more complex than your presumptions allow you to appreciate. I do run a scrapper site with senzix (sorry subigo, I'll get it off), but I do take care not to have it post too often, and of course I use cache'ing. :crying:

I like zensix, but I wouldn't buy from them again (I have a number of accounts), because I don't like getting sold off. Having to change servers is a pain the ass for me, and my time is becoming more and more valuable, so I'd rather lose $xxx/year to a more stable solution.

They are awesome for those just starting and into SEO networks/who host local business sites with little to no traffic.
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I am most likely one of the more advanced technical people on this forum.

I made the comment with the intent that most of these trolls are looking to make a quick buck online - the ones who expect to pull money out of internet with short sighted guidance and a real lack of understanding on how some of this business actually works.

No. They wouldn't realize the repercussions of running a scraper/auto-blog side by side with a few money generating WP/CMS sites.

I fully understand the difference between stable and disposable hosting, and use several different hosts myself.

What prompted my reply was somewhere on page 1 when people were talking about shifting sites, disrupting clients, etc, the guy who is gonna run off to host gator, only to be more disappointed with the amount of downtime he is going to experience over there.

Downtime is an expensive lesson to learn.

I do however, applaud your inference...and would suspect that it is that same predisposition which would lead you to enter your location as a default gateway, rather than a loopback address.
 
subigo said:
fucking retarded and don't know to limit their usage.
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They're responsible for installing a control panel with bandwidth quotas and rate limiting on the servers, or would that perhaps be you?

greenleaves said:
I like zensix, but I wouldn't buy from them again (I have a number of accounts), because I don't like getting sold off. Having to change servers is a pain the ass for me, and my time is becoming more and more valuable, so I'd rather lose $xxx/year to a more stable solution.
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Are the planning on selling their client base to another hosting concern? Just curious...
 
extor said:
They're responsible for installing a control panel with bandwidth quotas and rate limiting on the servers, or would that perhaps be you?
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No, but it's not quotas and traffic limiting that's the problem. It's their cpu usage, which isn't easily controlled on a DirectAdmin server.
 
I've had two shared accounts and one VPS with ZenSix for several years (although the VPS just got transferred to IPXcore whoever that is). Never had any major problems, email getting disabled was kind of annoying but the hosting is basically free so who cares
 
(O_o) said:
but in all seriousness , fucking $10/year for hosting? shut the fuck up and stop whining dude. you get what you pay for.

I pay about 250-300/MONTH in hosting and guess what? I never have a fucking problem.

are you jewish wezcountry?
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As mentioned above, it was not about the money!!! And of course the guy was insane to offer that service.

I have been moving my sites which were not much more than WP blogs and a couple of client accounts to other hosts, but I got caught in a couple of problems of theirs last week and then that email came ....

I haven't bought a Zensix package for 18 months!!!

I am bemused to see that this thread has turned into the drama of the week.

And no I'm not Jewish, though I have nothing against Jewish people per se (inb4 NWO conspiracies, Palestine etc).

Have a nice weekend everyone and try to get an afternoon at the beach.
 
wezcountry said:
It's the solution I recommend definitely, however the hosting company has to avoid fucking with the MX record setup.
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The company didn't fuck with anything. DirectAdmin doesn't save MX records if email is disabled during a backup. There's a bug report if you'd like to see it. Or better yet, host your own DNS and stop relying on a $10/year account to host every last little fucking thing.
 
This must have some catharsis effect for subigo. My only question is... what is more cost effective? Telling $10/year clients to fuck off or paying for therapy?

I think it would be the former.

@extor
Not that I'm aware of, but the record is enough for me

@KaniGT5
Well played.
 
I have tried hard not to post to this thread. I have failed.

Zensix was done over a year ago for most of the people who supported subigo when he started it up. It became obvious a couple years ago that he simply didn't care. To Eric, loyalty is a one way street. You're supposed to be happy with what he sells you, and if he changes the arrangement, suddenly his hosting is too cheap for you anyway.

I don't care tbh. I just find the entire thing disingenous. He sells a product, and promotes it here. When his business is up and running, he basically flips everyone here the bird and says, "I don't need your headaches or your cheap as shit accounts.

Which I can totally identify with. It's not worth his time to dick around. Christ, Chris finally wised up and went his own way because he was tired of being nickeled and dimed.

And now that Eric might actually have to do some work again, because it's unlikely he'll find anyone as dumb as Chris to work for so little, he's just going to cut service down to almost nothing.

Again, I am ok with that. It's his enterprise

It's just that Zensix isn't a hosting business. It's Eric's revenue stream, and those are two very different things.

Caveat emptor.

Those of you who need cheap shared hosting, I cannot recommend ASO enough.
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And if you're pissed I recommended Zensix to you in the past, take comfort in the fact that ASO is a real business that is trying to grow and build a reputation. They offer a product they stand behind and offer service for, regardless of your plan size. They aren't going to tell you to get fucked because you bought something cheap.
 
Just want to share my 2 cents as the owner of a site that also sells shared hosting at $10 per year (ok, we charge $11.76/year but you get the point): Zensix vs. HostGator and Zensix vs. ASmallOrange are comparisons that don't make sense.

Why?

Just take a look at the prices and you'll see what I mean.

Let's refer to HostGator's shared hosting plans.

Their Hatchling plan costs $5.56/month if you pre-pay for a year (in other words $66.72 yearly) but you're only allowed to host one domain.

Their Baby plan costs $7.96.month if you pre-pay for a year (in other words $95.52 yearly) and you're allowed to host unlimited domains.

So the Hatchling plan costs 6-7 times more than the Zensix shared hosting plan and the Baby plan costs 9-10 times more.

Alright, let's assume you use a HostGator coupon, fair enough.

The best one I was able to find (there might be better ones out there but this is the best one I was able to find after searching on teh Googlez for a minute or two) was a 25% discount coupon.

Ok.

So their Hatchling plan would cost $50.04/year and their Baby plan would cost $71.64.

Even if you use a coupon, you'd still end up paying 5-7 times more.

Now as far as ASO is concerned, their cheapest plans are $35 per year and $60 per year.

They also have a 15% discount coupon but even after using the coupon, you'd still be paying 3-5 times more.

All in all:

Of course a hosting package that costs 6-7 times more (HostGator) or 3-5 times more (ASO) is better but again, a ZenSix vs. HG or ZenSix vs. ASO comparison doesn't make sense.

Apples vs. oranges, no pun intended.

For what it's worth:

1) I've been a ZenSix shared hosting customer before the accounts were sold to VPS Outlet (yeah, the VPS Outlet thing sucked but this time, subigo sold the VPS accounts to a decent company, so it's a completely different situation) and used the account to host some of my less important sites. My expectations weren't high because the price was low compared to the other hosting services I was using and it's a good place to host your less important sites

2) I've been a HostGator customer a few years ago, even had a dedicated server with them. Excellent company but my expectations were obviously high because they aren't a cheap hosting provider

3) I've used ASO as well. Excellent company, nothing negative to say but my expectations were obviously higher than with ZenSix because their hosting packages cost more

Therefore aliens.
 
It's not about the price. If you were selling shitburgers for only $0.10, sure you could point at the price and say, "What did you expect for $0.10?"

That doesn't make a shitburger not shit.

There are very few people here who need $10 a month hosting. Some of us supported Eric when he was starting out with Zensix. Some of us appreciated that his pitch was based around understanding our needs. Many of us signed up to pay more than $10 a year.

Sure, things have changed. He no longer wants to support affiliates or anyone doing anything substantial with their hosting. And likewise, people now think he is a pretty big shithead. That's just how things have evolved.

I am pretty sure Eric makes most of his money by selling off his users to other companies. Expect him to have VPS plans again soon, then in another year, sell those off again. It's a roundabout form of leadgen.
 
I love how instead of making WF member's stop signing up, this thread increases conversations from WF links. Hah.

Do I give a shit about you or your website? No.

Do I give a shit about you having to manually install Wordpress? No.

Do I give a shit when you have to fix a DNS bug after a migration to a better server? No.

Do I care if you have to move your email to Google Apps? No.

Do I care if you cancel right now and move to ASO (which was bought by Hostgator last year, btw)? No.

For all the bitching and moaning, there's one thing that hasn't been said (too many times)... for people who just host basic websites, they are getting a deal. Uptime on servers is routinely in the 200+ day range and the only downtime is when the datacenter has issues. Everyone was just been moved to 1 Gbit ports, which you are definitely not going to get somewhere else for $10/year. And support always responds to you... and before someone says Chris did all the support, probably 25% of the tickets answered in the past three years from him, were actually from me using his account, because I didn't want to link my account to support.

For all the "ballers" on Wickedfire, you guys have always been the biggest headache to deal with in terms of clients. Almost none of you know how to even setup Wordpress and the things you submit tickets for are embarrassing. You'll spam the shit out of the world from a shared hosting account and cry when you get suspended. You'll get a DMCA notice and blame it on hackers. You'll upload cracked copies of Windows 7 and then have the nerve to bitch at me for finding it and deleting/suspending your account.

No other group of clients comes with so many issues and teenage self-entitled bullshit. There's a reason you don't see "real" web hosting companies advertising on this forum.

If you know how to manage offsite DNS, offsite email, can figure most things out for yourself, and just need a basic hosting account with good uptime? You're not going to find anything cheaper/better than what I offer. And please, show everyone the under ten dollar per year plan that offers more... I'll wait.

If you think you're going to get the same thing as plans that normally cost ten times the amount I charge... go fuck yourself. That's like expecting a Ford Focus to be a Ferrari.

My real clients are the people who pay $xxx/month for white label hosting and server administration. Those are the people I will bend over backwards for. But not you. Not now. Not ever.

Don't like me or my offers? Go pick one of the other 4 million hosts out there: Shared Hosting Offers - Web Hosting Talk
 
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