Where's CCarter?

illyas said:
I don't get why everyone here is too pussy to call him out.
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Most of us don't know (we don't enjoy your level of access to mods and Jon) and most of us don't care.

CC will be back, doing his thing, selling more stuff, people will buy it, there will be more threads, and the circle will continue.

If not him, then someone else. Someone will fill the void because it is just too damn profitable to take money from people under the auspice of being "white hat" while promising the sun, moon and stars.

illyas said:
He was selling hacked illegal links on his b/s/t. If you guys don't see a problem with that, well then.....
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I think selling hacked links after marketing yourself and what you do as white hat is philosophically fraudulent.

But let's not kid ourselves, there is no shortage of people here who would buy hacked links if they thought it could help them make $100 a day with Adsense.

All they need is for someone to tell them the links are legit so their conscience is clear.
 
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evolutionvision said:
I felt like this has been very obvious the entire time from his threads. What else could they have been?
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I'm not sure why ya'll keep talking about these links. I am pretty positive he was advertising escorts - why else would there be post after post after post with all those bitches to choose from?
 
medway said:
Lol that's appearant.

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Yes, very appearant ;) Jk bro.

illyas said:
I don't get why everyone here is too pussy to call him out.

He was selling hacked illegal links on his b/s/t. If you guys don't see a problem with that, well then.....
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I'm not sure how this is any different than all of the Sape resellers selling hacked links. No dog in the fight, but it's something that I've mentioned before to some faggots on Skype.

msharron said:
Well now this has gone public, guilty or not there shit storm hasn't even started. This could be damaging for the entire community on a number of levels.

A lot of money changed hands.
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Yeah, could cause a shit storm. If someone finds a hacked link on their website, it's not going to be CCarter that they come after - it's going to be the webmaster. I'm not lawyer, but I'm sure there is liability involved to Wickedfire when its members are selling illegal things whether Wickedfire facilitates that knowingly or not. As unlikely as it is to happen...

I also thought it was very apparent what was being sold. Even so, it's the buyers responsibility to conduct due diligence on what they're buying.

/outsiders perspective.
 
evolutionvision said:
I felt like this has been very obvious the entire time from his threads. What else could they have been?
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Me too, and I'm not condoning or condeming, but I can say this. I don't see any buyer's complaining. As far as I know, they loved what they got, had every chance to get a full refund after understanding what it was they bought and the risk involved.

I think part of the problem comes with a fundamental misunderstanding of where the terms 'white hat' and 'black hat' come from. They are, in fact, hacker terms.
 
I have to think that the chance of any kind of legal trouble is next to nothing.

How can anyone prove the link buyer broke the law? (which they didn't).
How many webmasters would actually try to take action? 1 in 1000?
Anyone could insert a link anywhere. The only possible person who could get in trouble that I can see is CC himself (or his minions). But I would also assume that the dude knows how to hide his ass.
 
It's not for the mods to say what, if anything happened. If Jon wants it to be public it will be made public. If not, then deal with it and find some other drama. This one is rather boring IMO.
 
jhoffy22 said:
Yeah, could cause a shit storm. If someone finds a hacked link on their website, it's not going to be CCarter that they come after - it's going to be the webmaster. I'm not lawyer, but I'm sure there is liability involved to Wickedfire when its members are selling illegal things whether Wickedfire facilitates that knowingly or not. As unlikely as it is to happen...
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It's suprisingly easy to find websites vulnerable to SQL attacks, any idiot can hack into them with a little bit of research. However doing this is illegal and fucking dangerous, especially if you're based in the US and not some remote third world country. If this is true I'm so suprised he was selling this as a service, it's the webmaster that's going to be fucked if one of these sites decides to pursue charges.
 
efeezy said:
Personally, I've picked up so many great tips, methods & ideas from CC's posts that I surely owe him some beers at a bare minimum. Aside from any BST bullshit that may have went down, he's one of the biggest (positive) contributors to this place. I always look forward to any knowledge he wants to drop. I sop that shit up like gravy with a biscuit.
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CC is all round positive and cares to share some of his strategies with us. Shit happens, we drop links, pay for links, trackback, spam other peoples precious sites, yada yada yada! Why? Because we're really only interested in our own income! If they where hacked links on big ass sites then happy days (don't like, ask for a refund, simples), you wouldn't get those any other way.

His BST was clear to those that cared to read between the lines. He sure as hell isn't gona openly advertise hacked links. (plus he is a hacker by trade...)

If someone finds a hacked link on their website, it's not going to be CCarter that they come after - it's going to be the webmaster. I'm not lawyer, but I'm sure there is liability involved to Wickedfire when its members are selling illegal things whether Wickedfire facilitates that knowingly or not. As unlikely as it is to happen...
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^ This is actually not true. In various scenarios the legalities still fall back to the hand that hacked... (they may come for you but the buck won't stop with you)
 
shiftymcnab said:
^ This is actually not true. In various scenarios the legalities still fall back to the hand that hacked... (they may come for you but the buck won't stop with you)
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So be it than, like I said, I'm not a lawyer.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7yCLn-O-Y0]Fun.: Carry On [OFFICIAL VIDEO] - YouTube[/ame]
 
shiftymcnab said:
CC is all round positive and cares to share some of his strategies with us.
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LOL

shiftymcnab said:
His BST was clear to those that cared to read between the lines.
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LOL

shiftymcnab said:
This is actually not true. In various scenarios the legalities still fall back to the hand that hacked... (they may come for you but the buck won't stop with you)
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Make sure you explain this to Matt Cutts when Google blacklists the client sites.
 
msharron said:
If you were to stop posting here it would leave a gaping hole.
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I have a much lower opinion of myself than you do. I stopped posting for nearly 3 months and like, 5 people noticed.

The truth is, people will always follow the guy who makes the most noise. CC knew exactly what he was doing, and I suspect he will return and carry on, and if there was any harm, all will be forgiven.

Guys like Grindstone and I have deliberately avoided developing cults of personality because we're actually really fucking boring people, and we have a hard time stomaching our own marketing. We couldn't believe any hype we tried to generate for ourselves. Some guys have stronger stomachs.
 
King. said:
It's suprisingly easy to find websites vulnerable to SQL attacks, any idiot can hack into them with a little bit of research. However doing this is illegal and fucking dangerous, especially if you're based in the US and not some remote third world country. If this is true I'm so suprised he was selling this as a service, it's the webmaster that's going to be fucked if one of these sites decides to pursue charges.
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How exactly would the webmaster be fucked and is there any precedence?

If I pay for a product and the supplier acquires it by illegal means without my knowledge isn't this plausible deniability? This applies to physical items, the waters are even murkier with digital products, blackhat doesn't imply illegal, unless Google's' TOS is law.

The webmaster is certainly not responsible for the hack itself, it's not RICO. The exploited website would not have lost revenue as a result of it. So they could go after the hacker for unauthorised access to systems, but do they even prosecute for that if there is no significant loss of revenue or data theft?
 
Delaney said:
How exactly would the webmaster be fucked and is there any precedence?

If I pay for a product and the supplier acquires it by illegal means without my knowledge isn't this plausible deniability? This applies to physical items, the waters are even murkier with digital products, blackhat doesn't imply illegal, unless Google's' TOS is law.

The webmaster is certainly not responsible for the hack itself, it's not RICO. The exploited website would not have lost revenue as a result of it. So they could go after the hacker for authorised access to systems, but do they even prosecute for that if there is no significant loss of revenue or data theft?
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In America, if you buy something stolen (knowingly or not), you're just as liable as the person who stole it.
 
Hold on a minute.
CCarter hasn't been around for a while / got banned / whatever...
Matt Cutts tweets that he's just been dealing with a link-reseller network...

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(I have no idea what went down - I didn't even realise he was banned but had noticed a lack of 'carry on' around here of late)
 
All I know is I'm not ballin enough to risk $1000+ on a single, solitary link. Links are good and all, but it better bring some damn traffic with it for that kind of dough, not just the hopes and dreams of a serp boost.
 
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