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I really hate to keep ranting in here, but... Popeye. Come on.
The reason you don't hear, generally, of explicitly atheist charities is because the notion is rather ridiculous. There are no explicitly atheist charities for the same reason there are no charities for people who don't believe in unicorns, Santa Claus, fairies, or Russell's celestial Teapot.
There are, however, explicitly Secular charities - quite a few, in fact. They may have religious people working there or volunteering, but patrons of the organization can rest assured that donations aren't steered by the decisions of men who lead their lives based upon several-thousand year old myths.
There is absolutely no denying, whether you are religious or not, that religious 'charities' can, indeed, be nothing more than revolting rackets, preying upon the uneducated or the brainwashed.
I'm not saying that it's impossible for exclusively religious charities to do good, not at all. Although I will say that one might be advised to take pause before donating and thoroughly investigate the cash flow of the organization, so as to ascertain whether or not the funds are actually going to whatever cause prompted the donation. As with any charity.
Ahh, I could go on and on about this topic. Sorry if I ever come off as an ass, Popeye, but I feel very strongly about these subjects.
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Wow. That's horrible. Read a book sometime.
To lighten the mood, even the most backwards of you should be able to appreciate this: youtube.com/watch?v=15u6fHkICxc
The reason you don't hear, generally, of explicitly atheist charities is because the notion is rather ridiculous. There are no explicitly atheist charities for the same reason there are no charities for people who don't believe in unicorns, Santa Claus, fairies, or Russell's celestial Teapot.
There are, however, explicitly Secular charities - quite a few, in fact. They may have religious people working there or volunteering, but patrons of the organization can rest assured that donations aren't steered by the decisions of men who lead their lives based upon several-thousand year old myths.
There is absolutely no denying, whether you are religious or not, that religious 'charities' can, indeed, be nothing more than revolting rackets, preying upon the uneducated or the brainwashed.
I'm not saying that it's impossible for exclusively religious charities to do good, not at all. Although I will say that one might be advised to take pause before donating and thoroughly investigate the cash flow of the organization, so as to ascertain whether or not the funds are actually going to whatever cause prompted the donation. As with any charity.
Ahh, I could go on and on about this topic. Sorry if I ever come off as an ass, Popeye, but I feel very strongly about these subjects.
and,
Wow. That's horrible. Read a book sometime.
To lighten the mood, even the most backwards of you should be able to appreciate this: youtube.com/watch?v=15u6fHkICxc
I like the old Buddhist parable.. "Belief in God is a barrier from knowing God" Any belief whether it be one of the many sects of Christianity, or atheism is stopping you from knowing "what is". Taoism, Buddhism(of the lesser vessel), some Hindu traditions and many wise modern sages (from Krishnamurti to Chopra) have proclaimed that unknowing is the only way to unlock the secrets of existence. No belief or thought systems, only self reliance, which is what God(if he exists), would want us to use for our own benefit.
To say the only that Christian organizations are the only positive influences on the world is completely fallacious, and I truly feel bad for you if you actually believe this.
From 1AD Christians have displayed the exact same wickedness and human error that has plagued the rest of humanity. It is a sub-culture that displays all the quarks and malady that the rest of creation displays in equal proportion to those who do good. We are all just one "being" and beliefs are definitively the unforgivable sin known as "Blasphemy of the Spirit". I haven't met a Christian that the Christ wouldn't consider a Pharisee. Weird, but I think he would still prefer to hang out with us sinners.
To say the only that Christian organizations are the only positive influences on the world is completely fallacious, and I truly feel bad for you if you actually believe this.
From 1AD Christians have displayed the exact same wickedness and human error that has plagued the rest of humanity. It is a sub-culture that displays all the quarks and malady that the rest of creation displays in equal proportion to those who do good. We are all just one "being" and beliefs are definitively the unforgivable sin known as "Blasphemy of the Spirit". I haven't met a Christian that the Christ wouldn't consider a Pharisee. Weird, but I think he would still prefer to hang out with us sinners.
Never stated that a secular charity wouldn't do a good job or that because they are secular their charity is "not as good" as a Christian charity. I was stating the fact their isn't any "atheist" charities. Turbolap pointed out 5 or so charities that she stated were ashiest. I was just correcting her on that fact. There are no charities that operate under the atheist flag.
I don't understand you. The only religion I know of that says non-believers go to heaven is Islam (if they led good lives, I believe). And agnostics believe in 'all' religion or rather a supreme being. So I believe my statement of agnostics go to Hell with the atheists is fairly accurate. So you might as well accept Jesus or deny him, the middle ground is just as good as denying.
Also, you used the word 'pray' in one of your posts, I am assuming your agnostic...
There may not be any atheist charities, but the 2 greatest philanthropists of our time both are atheist and both have their own organizations to deal with donating cash. Warren Buffet and Bill Gates. They don't call their organizations Atheist, because they don't have some mental virus that requires them to conquer the worlds beliefs. They just give out cash to better other humans lives. Much better than telling a starving African that "you want food, medicine, and water... just sit through our brainwashing seminar."
Islam is certainly not the only religion where non-believers go to heaven. First of all, there are many great religions that don't even preach about heaven, and in my interpretation of the Bible I'm not even sure Christ preached about heaven being in the afterlife. The kingdom of heaven on earth I believed he called it. And when asked about Hell he says "there will be gnashing of teeth.. ect" but never says it is punishment from God for unbelievers. Now Paul, widely know as the first perverter of the Gospels does go on to spew a bunch of nonsense about heaven. A more logical interpretation is this: Heaven is the state of human completeness and Hell is the state of human confusion.
O.k., now I'm done on this thread.. Back to making money so I can appease my Buddha
Islam is certainly not the only religion where non-believers go to heaven. First of all, there are many great religions that don't even preach about heaven, and in my interpretation of the Bible I'm not even sure Christ preached about heaven being in the afterlife. The kingdom of heaven on earth I believed he called it. And when asked about Hell he says "there will be gnashing of teeth.. ect" but never says it is punishment from God for unbelievers. Now Paul, widely know as the first perverter of the Gospels does go on to spew a bunch of nonsense about heaven. A more logical interpretation is this: Heaven is the state of human completeness and Hell is the state of human confusion.
O.k., now I'm done on this thread.. Back to making money so I can appease my Buddha
And who's god is Benny Hinn's?
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And shame on this Senator for asking.
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Men are weak. There is no way a man will ever live up to the god that he/she worships. Power, money, love, greed will always corrupt even the best of us. These priest, pastors, clerics, rabbi are corrupted and you cannot judge their religion based on the actions of a few.
Jon is an asshole most of the times on this board but I don't judge the board as a whole based solely on his actions.
If there is a God, do you really think that ANYTHING we do has any effect on it at all?
Religion is for people who can't accept the reality that they are going to die and then POOF disappear. We are so arrogant that we think the universe actually needs us.
Please get over yourself.
Every religion acts like God needs us for some reason.
You ever bother to think about how stupid it is to assign a need to the creator of the universe? Wait... nevermind. Dumb question. I could have just stopped at "think." And gotten no as the answer and moved on.
Religion is for people who can't accept the reality that they are going to die and then POOF disappear. We are so arrogant that we think the universe actually needs us.
Please get over yourself.
Every religion acts like God needs us for some reason.
You ever bother to think about how stupid it is to assign a need to the creator of the universe? Wait... nevermind. Dumb question. I could have just stopped at "think." And gotten no as the answer and moved on.
Einstein was a VERY SPIRITUAL guy and definitely believed in a Higher Power. Neils Bohr did as well. E=MC^2 Basically says that everything is energy WHICH IS NONPHYSICAL IN NATURE. Einstein & Neils Bohr got me into studying sub-atomic physics which basically supports Mystics have been saying for years....Everything is basically nonphysical in nature and was created by a nonphysical entity.
E=mc^2 -- states emphatically that everything from the computer I am typing on to the screen you are looking at is energy and energy is NON-PHYSICAL IN NATURE.
The Observer effect proved that matter responds to thought -- this is an experiment that has confounded Physicists for years. They did a double split experiment and the electrons responded to the scientists thoughts. In other words when the scientists thought that the electrons would behave as waves, they behaved as waves...when they thought they would behave as particles, they behaved as articles ---you can watch the experiment here: YouTube - Dr Quantum - Double Slit Experiment.
In Time Magazine, Einstein said:
"Everyone who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe—a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble."
On the Human Side - TIME
Check out amazon.com for any of his biographies.
On the level of the plank scale it has been demonstrated that "wavicles" - electrons which behave sometimes as particles, sometimes as waves - respond to the observer. This is not fancy this is fact. Neils Bohr ultimately became a mystic 'cause after he started researching this stuff he came to the conclusion that there was definitely some being outside the system that initiated the whole system and also created the order.
But back to sub-atomic physics...The Observer affect proved/proves that the non-physical - thought as energy - can effect the physical - and Einstein believed that what we called "reality" was created out of the virtual mind of a Supreme Being (supreme as in outside of the system) that initiated the cause. Not the whole Adam and Eve thingy, but the beginning of evolution and everything....the first point.
Also Professor of Emeritus of Stanford University (Physics) Welcome to the William A. Tiller Foundation for New Science Website
does alot better job of explaining this train of thought than I could -
http://www.tillerfoundation.com/ToQuanSciTechIncHumCon.pdf
Dr. John Hagelin (Undergrad Dartmouth, PHD in Physics from Harvard) and a many of the best trained physicists the world knows today gives evidence of this stuff. It's my studying of sub-atomic physics which has led me to believe beyond a shadow of a doubt in a First Cause that operates in the Universe. The big "secret" though is that everyone is looking for it outside of us and it buried itself in our mind - that 98% of the brain that most of us don't use.
Water wets it not
Fire burns it not
Wind blows it not away...
Merry Christmas....
On a lighter note, Scandinavian men can get very religious if you give them a little "treat" early Sunday morning to get them to go to Church...lmao
Bruce Muzik does a great job of presenting showing how Science and spirituality support each other and ultimately how that info can really be used to help one's life. Because at the end of the day it's not a question of who is right or wrong it's a question of "Which belief enhanced my quality of life"?
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E=mc^2 -- states emphatically that everything from the computer I am typing on to the screen you are looking at is energy and energy is NON-PHYSICAL IN NATURE.
The Observer effect proved that matter responds to thought -- this is an experiment that has confounded Physicists for years. They did a double split experiment and the electrons responded to the scientists thoughts. In other words when the scientists thought that the electrons would behave as waves, they behaved as waves...when they thought they would behave as particles, they behaved as articles ---you can watch the experiment here: YouTube - Dr Quantum - Double Slit Experiment.
In Time Magazine, Einstein said:
"Everyone who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe—a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble."
On the Human Side - TIME
Check out amazon.com for any of his biographies.
On the level of the plank scale it has been demonstrated that "wavicles" - electrons which behave sometimes as particles, sometimes as waves - respond to the observer. This is not fancy this is fact. Neils Bohr ultimately became a mystic 'cause after he started researching this stuff he came to the conclusion that there was definitely some being outside the system that initiated the whole system and also created the order.
But back to sub-atomic physics...The Observer affect proved/proves that the non-physical - thought as energy - can effect the physical - and Einstein believed that what we called "reality" was created out of the virtual mind of a Supreme Being (supreme as in outside of the system) that initiated the cause. Not the whole Adam and Eve thingy, but the beginning of evolution and everything....the first point.
Also Professor of Emeritus of Stanford University (Physics) Welcome to the William A. Tiller Foundation for New Science Website
does alot better job of explaining this train of thought than I could -
http://www.tillerfoundation.com/ToQuanSciTechIncHumCon.pdf
Dr. John Hagelin (Undergrad Dartmouth, PHD in Physics from Harvard) and a many of the best trained physicists the world knows today gives evidence of this stuff. It's my studying of sub-atomic physics which has led me to believe beyond a shadow of a doubt in a First Cause that operates in the Universe. The big "secret" though is that everyone is looking for it outside of us and it buried itself in our mind - that 98% of the brain that most of us don't use.
Water wets it not
Fire burns it not
Wind blows it not away...
Merry Christmas....
On a lighter note, Scandinavian men can get very religious if you give them a little "treat" early Sunday morning to get them to go to Church...lmao
Bruce Muzik does a great job of presenting showing how Science and spirituality support each other and ultimately how that info can really be used to help one's life. Because at the end of the day it's not a question of who is right or wrong it's a question of "Which belief enhanced my quality of life"?
<tt>:: Designer Life :: The Science Behind Success Tele-seminar
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Well, there is some supreme thing, an energy, something that's making stuff happen right. You may call it God, you may call it Evolution, you may even call it Google, but you can't deny it. Just thinking about beginning of time is resulting with idea that something is controlling everything. How could we developed so much without some supreme power. There must be something out there.
Or were just too dumb to realize some really basic stuff....
However, I was born here in middle Europe and Catholicism is the main religion so I'll except that as my religion, although I don't agree with some stuff nor do believe in some stuff that it represents. If I was born in India I'd be Hindu or Buddhist, if I was born in Utah, I'd be Mormon so there is no reason to hate any other religion*....
*however, this does not include Muslims and orthodox Christians...
Or were just too dumb to realize some really basic stuff....
However, I was born here in middle Europe and Catholicism is the main religion so I'll except that as my religion, although I don't agree with some stuff nor do believe in some stuff that it represents. If I was born in India I'd be Hindu or Buddhist, if I was born in Utah, I'd be Mormon so there is no reason to hate any other religion*....
*however, this does not include Muslims and orthodox Christians...
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I hate to burst the bubble of the athiests out there, but the biggest secret in Science is that SCIENTISTS THEMSELVES don't agree on the big bang theory.
I for one can't believe in a basic theory that not even Scientist themselves don't agree on. But don't take my word for it, Check out what the leading scientists in the world have to say in the PBS document on String Theory - you can watch it for free on youtube.
YouTube - Brain Greene lecturing on quantum physics and string theory
He says that "Even science doesn't know where energy comes from" ---in other words the Big Bang "theory" doesn't prove creation. That's why I have a problem with those left coast hippies who don't want to let some aspect of intelligent design -- the part that SCIENCE VERIFIES -- to be taught in school, but the Big Bang Theory which not even the scientists can agree upon, is taught as fact.
By the way, I have no problem with Athiests as long as they aren't as fundamentalists and some of those super-closed minded members of other religions.
Because make no mistake - Atheism is a religion. Athiests believe in the "big bang" and other theories which require one to have "faith" because Scientist themselves don't have evidence to support the theory. I think I actually like agnostics because they seem to have the most open minds.....
Brian Greene, Professor of Physics at Columbia University Narrates it.
On a different note, I think we have to let go of taking what the Bible says literally and look to it more as a metaphor where less learned people tried to explain what is known now:
Example: in the beginning was light (the bible)
In the beginning there was Energy = mass* speed of light^2 is what science says
....things that are made come from things that do not appear (Bible)
Energy = nonphysical
Matter = physical
matter (that which is made) comes from things that do not appear (energy)
That's the irony. If the super fundamentalist Christians could let go of taking so much stuff literally, they could really get to the scientifically proven substance of The Bible----hmmph!
I hate to burst the bubble of the athiests out there, but the biggest secret in Science is that SCIENTISTS THEMSELVES don't agree on the big bang theory.
I for one can't believe in a basic theory that not even Scientist themselves don't agree on. But don't take my word for it, Check out what the leading scientists in the world have to say in the PBS document on String Theory - you can watch it for free on youtube.
YouTube - Brain Greene lecturing on quantum physics and string theory
He says that "Even science doesn't know where energy comes from" ---in other words the Big Bang "theory" doesn't prove creation. That's why I have a problem with those left coast hippies who don't want to let some aspect of intelligent design -- the part that SCIENCE VERIFIES -- to be taught in school, but the Big Bang Theory which not even the scientists can agree upon, is taught as fact.
By the way, I have no problem with Athiests as long as they aren't as fundamentalists and some of those super-closed minded members of other religions.
Because make no mistake - Atheism is a religion. Athiests believe in the "big bang" and other theories which require one to have "faith" because Scientist themselves don't have evidence to support the theory. I think I actually like agnostics because they seem to have the most open minds.....
Brian Greene, Professor of Physics at Columbia University Narrates it.
On a different note, I think we have to let go of taking what the Bible says literally and look to it more as a metaphor where less learned people tried to explain what is known now:
Example: in the beginning was light (the bible)
In the beginning there was Energy = mass* speed of light^2 is what science says
....things that are made come from things that do not appear (Bible)
Energy = nonphysical
Matter = physical
matter (that which is made) comes from things that do not appear (energy)
That's the irony. If the super fundamentalist Christians could let go of taking so much stuff literally, they could really get to the scientifically proven substance of The Bible----hmmph!
You realize how many religions there are don't you? Christianity itself is made up of hundreds of different versions. And the bible is just a collection of cherry picked stories by men mostly stolen from earlier religions and constantly contradicting itself.
You make a LOT of assumptions in this post.
Since all scientists don't agree about the Big Bang theory, you want to throw out Evolution as well? What about gravity? Scientists disagree on the exact mechanism of gravity as well. That doesn't mean you can just fucking float away if you are sincere in your anti-gravity theory. Are you a complete moron, or just a troll?
Uh, who are you to lump together atheists and make broad judgments about what all atheists believe in? Have you interviewed them all? Do you have some sampling, statistics to back up what you are saying? And you want to say some people (atheists) are close-minded? I think you need to look at the fucking 2x4 in your eye.
Science doesn't verify any aspect of intelligent design.
I also try not to pigeonhole myself with atheist or agnostic. As a learning, growing human being, my personal philosophy has evolved throughout my life. Do I think there are a lot of things unexplained by science? Sure. Could there be a powerful entity out there? I'm not sure, but it sure as hell wouldn't be some overbearing being demanding burnt entrails and abstinence from pork products. And if he WANTED my worship, he wouldn't be WORTHY of it.
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