Please be nice to Turbo.What you and that idiot turbofap don't understand is you can't legislate a good as a right.
Please be nice to Turbo.What you and that idiot turbofap don't understand is you can't legislate a good as a right.
And did you even fucking read the post made right before yours? That study is so flawed its hilarious.
Fair enough, I agree that it is not a fair comparison between Switzerland and the US. Lets look at bigger countries then. Unfortunately there really is no developed country as big as the US so the best I can offer are France, Spain and Germany. Germany has over 80 million, France over 65 and Spain over 45 million people. All together about 190 million people. All of them have some form of socialized medicine. Now go and check their positions on the WHO list. ALL of them are above the US.
I'd say that's a pretty decent test.
And again, you are not putting all your eggs in one basket. You still have the option to get private insurance. It's not like they outlawed it or anything. Since when are additional options so horribly bad?
Yes, I'm sure the WHO conspired against the US to make you guys look bad.
Ever lived in any of the countries mentioned on that list and been able to compare systems? I've grown up in Switzerland, my father is German and I have lived in the US for 3 years. The US system does not even come close to either of them.
Again, I am not saying reform isn't needed, because it certainly is. But I just don't buy the rolling everything out at once thing. Also, you have to consider there is MUCH more than size in terms of difference. And comparing a country (America) which has 220 more million people with a country like Germany is still insane. You cannot honestly state running the two countries are similar, which is why I would have liked to see a system rolled out slowly, more custom tailored for us, not something based on a system of countries that make up a mere FRACTION of what happens in the world economically compared to the US. And no, that is not an opinion the US smashes the countries you just named in terms of GDP, which is another reason why we are vastly different aside from the obvious population difference. I cannot and will not buy the fact that we can use these other countries that are nothing like America and roll out a plan like them without testing it on some sort of smaller level.
What system are you talking about, the actual treatment, or the insurance?
Don't worry, this bill is TOTALLY about healthcare, there is nothing nefarious about this, and anyone who says otherwise is paranoid. Keep repeating that NYT bullshit, you'll get far with that after Obama heals this country with the rest of his laws, and yes you can bet he's got other big ones planned.
HELL YEAH!!! WOOHOOOO AMERICA!!!!
So essentially, bill forces EVERYONE to buy Health Insurance yet there is no regulation of price of Insurance by the Insurance Companies? Wouldn't they be passing on the higher cost of doing business to the customers?
From now on it will be the choice between paying more for a good private insurance or much less for a shitty public one.
We can all see who makes money and who's poor by looking at the responses to this new tax...I mean this new healthcare bill.
"The bill also imposes penalties on people who opt not to have health insurance. If you don’t buy insurance, starting in 2014 you will have to pay an annual fine of $95 or 1 percent of your income, whichever is greater. By 2016, that fine will rise to $695 or 2.5 percent of your income. For an insurance-free family, the fee is $2,085 or 2.5 percent of household income."
WTF?
Hang on, you're paying 50% top-rate tax and NOT getting public health care or social security?
The only question you Americans should be asking is where the hell all of your money is actually going.