Looks like America WILL have National Health Care after tonight



I smoked weed all day, sit in my recliner and pondered why liberal women were so fuckin ugly. Then I laughed at how fuckin childish and stupid the liberal congress were....Chanting yes we can and shit. It was funny at the time.

buzz wore off..now im back to being pissed.
 
And did you even fucking read the post made right before yours? That study is so flawed its hilarious.

Yes, I'm sure the WHO conspired against the US to make you guys look bad.

Ever lived in any of the countries mentioned on that list and been able to compare systems? I've grown up in Switzerland, my father is German and I have lived in the US for 3 years. The US system does not even come close to either of them.
 
Fair enough, I agree that it is not a fair comparison between Switzerland and the US. Lets look at bigger countries then. Unfortunately there really is no developed country as big as the US so the best I can offer are France, Spain and Germany. Germany has over 80 million, France over 65 and Spain over 45 million people. All together about 190 million people. All of them have some form of socialized medicine. Now go and check their positions on the WHO list. ALL of them are above the US.

I'd say that's a pretty decent test.

And again, you are not putting all your eggs in one basket. You still have the option to get private insurance. It's not like they outlawed it or anything. Since when are additional options so horribly bad?

Again, I am not saying reform isn't needed, because it certainly is. But I just don't buy the rolling everything out at once thing. Also, you have to consider there is MUCH more than size in terms of difference. And comparing a country (America) which has 220 more million people with a country like Germany is still insane. You cannot honestly state running the two countries are similar, which is why I would have liked to see a system rolled out slowly, more custom tailored for us, not something based on a system of countries that make up a mere FRACTION of what happens in the world economically compared to the US. And no, that is not an opinion the US smashes the countries you just named in terms of GDP, which is another reason why we are vastly different aside from the obvious population difference. I cannot and will not buy the fact that we can use these other countries that are nothing like America and roll out a plan like them without testing it on some sort of smaller level.
 
Yes, I'm sure the WHO conspired against the US to make you guys look bad.

Ever lived in any of the countries mentioned on that list and been able to compare systems? I've grown up in Switzerland, my father is German and I have lived in the US for 3 years. The US system does not even come close to either of them.

What system are you talking about, the actual treatment, or the insurance?
 
Again, I am not saying reform isn't needed, because it certainly is. But I just don't buy the rolling everything out at once thing. Also, you have to consider there is MUCH more than size in terms of difference. And comparing a country (America) which has 220 more million people with a country like Germany is still insane. You cannot honestly state running the two countries are similar, which is why I would have liked to see a system rolled out slowly, more custom tailored for us, not something based on a system of countries that make up a mere FRACTION of what happens in the world economically compared to the US. And no, that is not an opinion the US smashes the countries you just named in terms of GDP, which is another reason why we are vastly different aside from the obvious population difference. I cannot and will not buy the fact that we can use these other countries that are nothing like America and roll out a plan like them without testing it on some sort of smaller level.

I agree that a small test would have been nice, but just consider the political side of things. Do you honestly believe it would EVER happen? The current bill is already so watered down, it will be only a very small improvement over how it is at the moment. If there would have been a "test" period, by the time the actual bill went into effect, it would have been an even bigger mess then it is now and pretty much non-existential.

Also, if the special interest groups had enough time to make all their "contributions" to a bill tested over several years, it would be just as corrupt as the current laws are.
 
We need one of these:

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We need states to start succeeding from the union like they did in the Civil War. Maybe that will get the point across. Screw these British Fascists. They don't own us and I'm not their slave. Let the nihilists be serfs and let them have their fascist/communist/socialist/collective blackhole. I'm ready to check out and defend what little we do have left along with all the other real Americans who understand what freedom really is. I've had enough.
 
Don't worry, this bill is TOTALLY about healthcare, there is nothing nefarious about this, and anyone who says otherwise is paranoid. Keep repeating that NYT bullshit, you'll get far with that after Obama heals this country with the rest of his laws, and yes you can bet he's got other big ones planned.

LOL
You getting your single engine cessna ready for flight? Which building will it be today? :costumed-smiley-015
 
So essentially, bill forces EVERYONE to buy Health Insurance yet there is no regulation of price of Insurance by the Insurance Companies? Wouldn't they be passing on the higher cost of doing business to the customers?

The main reason given this year by the insurance companies for the big rate increases is that too many people are dropping out. Higher rates lead to even more people dropping out, then they raise rates again and so on. Forcing everyone to be in the pool breaks this cycle, but that doesn't mean they won't have other excuses to raise rates.

From now on it will be the choice between paying more for a good private insurance or much less for a shitty public one.

There's no choice of a public plan; it will be similar to how people have to buy auto insurance.
 
We can all see who makes money and who's poor by looking at the responses to this new tax...I mean this new healthcare bill.

Thank god for the Bama!!
I don't hab ta worry about ma mortgage!
I don't hab ta worry about ma car payments!
Bama's got me Covered!
Life is good!
Sheeeeeeeiit, I'm quittin my job. :costumed-smiley-015

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"The bill also imposes penalties on people who opt not to have health insurance. If you don’t buy insurance, starting in 2014 you will have to pay an annual fine of $95 or 1 percent of your income, whichever is greater. By 2016, that fine will rise to $695 or 2.5 percent of your income. For an insurance-free family, the fee is $2,085 or 2.5 percent of household income."

WTF?
 
I just worry about the immediate freeze on new jobs across the country due to scared business owners thinking there about to have to pay for there part time workers health care bills.

I see my uncles semi-panicking in the construction biz thinking there about to get a huge bill...

Reality and Perception are far apart either way you look at it so this bill will do wonders for some people and most likely fuck over another large group of people.

but keep hustlin playas. make that money.

but along the way try to make some jobs. so we can educate the idiots...
 
"The bill also imposes penalties on people who opt not to have health insurance. If you don’t buy insurance, starting in 2014 you will have to pay an annual fine of $95 or 1 percent of your income, whichever is greater. By 2016, that fine will rise to $695 or 2.5 percent of your income. For an insurance-free family, the fee is $2,085 or 2.5 percent of household income."

WTF?


Someone's gotta pay for my doughnut addiction.. i mean WTF dude!
French Cruller FTW!!
 
Hang on, you're paying 50% top-rate tax and NOT getting public health care or social security?

The only question you Americans should be asking is where the hell all of your money is actually going.


One unintended consequence that might come from this liberal congress is a HUGE conservative revival among the US people, one that could last a long time. I hope the liberals are up for the conservatives pushing shit down their throat and using underhanded parlimentary tactics to pass far right bills.
 
So glad I left....

Government backed / mandated / regulated healthcare can work, just not in the corrupt USA.

And the IRS is going to autobill you if you dont submit proof. Awesome.