Blogger and 5 Star Afilliate Programs Bashing WF members

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Huh? English please :)

OK, I'll get serious for once.

What I'm saying is that if I am an affiliate of COPEAC and I follow your rules for your offers. But on the side I have a blog where people are allowed to post whatever they want about making fast money legit or not and they are not affiliate offers of any king being promoted. If copeac is mentioned ever it is in a good light and always will.

Is Copeac going to suspend that affiliate for what he does in his free time with a blog that is not associated with that offer?

If so then I will delete the post and rethink this.
 


OK, I'll get serious for once.

What I'm saying is that if I am an affiliate of COPEAC and I follow your rules for your offers. But on the side I have a blog where people are allowed to post whatever they want about making fast money legit or not and they are not affiliate offers of any king being promoted. If copeac is mentioned ever it is in a good light and always will.

Is Copeac going to suspend that affiliate for what he does in his free time with a blog that is not associated with that offer?

If so then I will delete the post and rethink this.

What you say doesn't matter its what you do. If you are telling people to do something that is against our TOS then it will be an issue for those who do it. If youre one of those who are doing it, then youll eventually get terminated. Advertisers are on the look out for schemes like the one mention on that blog. Since so many people have tried to scam advertisers they constantly monitor stuff and are very quick to catch fraud.
 
But let's not pretend like Shawn did anything a store owner wouldn't have done had he found an employee stealing merchandise. Whether it was appropriate for the school to take action is something else (personally, I don't know why one has anything to do with the other, but that's already a done deal).

No, the store owner would have a) fired the employee (which the rat did), then b) called the cops (if it warranted it or the offense was illegal) or c) called the kids parents. The store owner would NOT have compiled "evidence" to present to the kid's college. And the college would have been pretty much required to take some action since most have a stated honor code as was already mentioned. Shawn knew what he was doing, and he was doing it maliciously. He wasn't trying to right a wrong or get justice, he was out to hurt that kid, possibly because his ego got bruised. That was over the top and it's people like that who will always, always be there like an ant at a picnic, ready to rat you out or fuck shit up so that they can feel smug. Shawn might be a nice guy, but shit like that just pisses me off. He had tons more options, instead he choose the most fucked up route.
 
Would anyone be interested in renting a banquet hall in Miami during the same week as ASE? Everyone knows you don't go to ASE for the speakers. It's all about networking. Even if we all pitched in some money to rent out a hall, it would still be a hell of a lot cheaper than a pass to ASE.

Shoot me a PM if you're interested, voodooman.

Sounds like a plan...

ASE is out, banquet hall miami is in.
 
No, the store owner would have a) fired the employee (which the rat did), then b) called the cops (if it warranted it or the offense was illegal) or c) called the kids parents. The store owner would NOT have compiled "evidence" to present to the kid's college. And the college would have been pretty much required to take some action since most have a stated honor code as was already mentioned. Shawn knew what he was doing, and he was doing it maliciously. He wasn't trying to right a wrong or get justice, he was out to hurt that kid, possibly because his ego got bruised. That was over the top and it's people like that who will always, always be there like an ant at a picnic, ready to rat you out or fuck shit up so that they can feel smug. Shawn might be a nice guy, but shit like that just pisses me off. He had tons more options, instead he choose the most fucked up route.

Welcome to wickedfire... You'll do just fine around these parts.
 
Damn.. now I have to get involved.. damn you all!

I have to defend Shawn here, not because he's a friend, but because you have to see it from HIS perspective.

If you were the owner of a company that was paying say $5 a lead, and you got 10,000 leads from an incentive campaign, only to find out that of the 10k leads ($50k spend) almost all of them were fraud because some kid was doing it to pay for his college tuition, wouldn't you be pissed the hell off and feel cheated? I know I would have gone way farther than Shawn did. I would have not only gotten him tossed from school, but I would have gone after him financially, and done lots of super fucked up things right back to him, especially if the kid had the nerve to threaten me by trying to be a tough guy on his computer. But that's just me.

A lot of people would just handle this in a manner where they just cancel the kid and not pay him, and close the account to be done with it. Shawn taught him a valuable life lesson here.. if you are going to try to screw someone, you must take into account that there is a very good chance you yourself will be screwed back, tenfold. That's the game we play, and the risks people need to realize when they do shady or gray hat style marketing.

When I was an email spammer back in the 90's, we always knew the risks of our campaigns. We knew that there was a good chance we would spend money to make some, and that we could lose all of it if we were caught spamming. Although we were rarely caught doing it, it would happen every now and then, and we'd lose out on five to low six figures sometimes. But instead of bitching about it, we accepted it. And we were damn lucky we didn't have someone like Shawn as the affiliate manager in charge, because then we'd all be screwed just a bit more.

Overall, you can't blame Shawn for this stuff. Yes, he got a kid kicked out of college. Big woop. The kid deserved it. But I look at it from two different perspectives..

1- From a Gray hat perspective - He got what he deserved because he was too cocky and didn't cover his tracks correctly to get away with it. Which means he either didn't know what he was doing, and didn't take the precautions he should have, or he was just an idiot and thought he could game the system without weighing out the consequences. So yes, it was justified and he deserved it. The more newbies that get caught and knocked off, the better it is for the big boys who know what they are doing.

2- From an AM perspective - He cheated, he needs to get cancelled and all funds revoked BECAUSE it was premeditated. It's not like he did something and got a few bad leads, or did something and caught shit for it but didn't know about it. He knew full well what he was doing and looked at it from a "I'm going to game the system" perspective. Instead of just taking the loss, which he should have, because he got caught, he went on to threaten Shawn and tried picking a fight.

Overall, I don't care how you put it, the kid tried fucking someone and got fucked right back. That's the game we play guys, you should always remember that and take that into consideration. If you're going to be shady, expect a chance of getting fucked right back. There are plenty of precautions to take to avoid it, but in the end, you're always going to have that risk, because going this route means you are thinking outside the box, but at the same time your risk factor skyrockets.
 
I did link directly to your post, too.



Just because you have free speech doesn't mean you're immune from criticism.



Your suggestion that affiliates should generate junk leads by using porn as an incentive. I have a problem with knowingly generating bad leads.



If you're in Miami, I'll be glad to grab a drink.

fix my link man or there will be big trouble man. That is my fiancee's information that you are displaying and you know what the fuck Im talking about Shawn.

fuck with me dude, cool, fuck with my family.....................................then we're going to have some major issues
 
Since so many people have tried to scam advertisers they constantly monitor stuff and are very quick to catch fraud.

I'll bet they don't go running off like little girls yelling, "I'm gonna tell your mommy!" do they?

See, like I said, there's a HUGE difference between getting caught for something and being punsihed for it and being ratted out and being UNJUSTLY punished.

That's the part that put a burr under my saddle... when Shawn made the analogy about the time he caught someone and got the kid suspended from school for it. What the kid was doing had absolutely nothing to do with his education... until he was no longer getting an education because of what Shawn did.

If I choose to do something untoward and get caught, I'll take the punishment, as long as it's appropriate. Do something that effects my life, my family or in this case, education... none of which are related to what I was doing wrong, to punish me and I'll fuck you up for life.

If the kid was e-mailing and otherwise harassing Shawn, there were plenty of ways to deal with that. Even if it ultimately resulted in having the kids school supplied internet access suspended for the e-mail harrassment. But NOT going so far as to have him suspended from school. Like someone else said, that was just plain mean.

I'm thinking someone must have gotten picked on a lot as a youngster and it stunted the growth of his manly bits.

BYA, calm down. If your "friend" did something wrong tell him to not ever do it again and life will go on. The affiliate police will not be banging on his door in the middle of the night. He should, however, reformat his hard drive and wipe down his computer and keyboard, just in case. :rasta:
 
Damn.. now I have to get involved.. damn you all!

I have to defend Shawn here, not because he's a friend, but because you have to see it from HIS perspective.





OK great do you defend that he is displaying my personal information on a text link in his blog that displays my fiancee's address phone number and everything? Just becasue I he's upset at a post that someone wrote?
 
Jon, that's real nice of you to defend Shawn and all. But we are men and not fucking kids. This horseshit of "tattle tailing" to fuck up someone's future is kid's stuff and totally unprofessional.

Again, if Shawn wanted to go after him because of fraud and other crimes then he should have either gone to the police or sue the kid. Not make this a personal vendetta to try to get the kid booted from college. What is this the 4th grade?

In my book, Shawn stooped just as low as the kid. Then he goes on and brags about it? People need to grow up and stop watching gangsta movies. Let’s be men and professionals.
 
This horseshit of "tattle tailing" to fuck up someone's future is kid's stuff and totally unprofessional.

Again, if Shawn wanted to go after him because of fraud and other crimes then he should have either gone to the police or sue the kid. Not make this a personal vendetta to try to get the kid booted from college. What is this the 4th grade?

So a semester off from school is worse than a criminal record?

In my book, Shawn stooped just as low as the kid. Then he goes on and brags about it? People need to grow up and stop watching gangsta movies. Let’s be men and professionals.

I told my story in ClickZ to let the other scammers know I wasn't playing. Plenty of them were trying to game me. Guess what, after the story got out, the attempted fraud went down significantly.

Incidentally, it's the "gangstas" that consider it a code of honor to turn a blind eye to crime.
 
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Jesus christ wickedfire is out of control lately. I leave to the gym for an hour and we got a 74 post thread. Ima stay out of this one.
 
So a semester off from school is worse than a criminal record?

What criminal record? That wasn't for you to decide. Who knows the kid could have been slapped on the wrist and walked.

But you purposely went to his school to boot him. Yes, it was for only a semester. But it could have been for good.

Again, last time I checked it was the our justice system that handled crimes and not school administrators.

Incidentally, it's the "gangstas" that consider it a code of honor to turn a blind eye to crime.

What I'm seeing is no honor. And it's usually the "gangstas" with no honor who become the rats.
 
So a semester off from school is worse than a criminal record?



I told my story in ClickZ to let the other scammers know I wasn't playing. Plenty of them were trying to game me. Guess what, after the story got out, the attempted fraud went down significantly.

Incidentally, it's the "gangstas" that consider it a code of honor to turn a blind eye to crime.

your still linking to the whois with personal info of my lady.......plz fix asap
 
I'm surprised...

I'm surprised that I'm the first to note that Shawn can't spell "numbskull". :D It's kinda sick how he went after the college kid personally, and it's a douchebag move to post BYA's WhoIS as a link, but I think it's easy to see why Shawn did what he did. Somehow though, I have the feeling Shawn wouldn't have a problem justifying this either: YouTube - Mafia Hit Short Film :1orglaugh:
 
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