and this is why this stuff will never work. We're too busy fighting amongst ourselves trying to be right.
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and this is why this stuff will never work. We're too busy fighting amongst ourselves trying to be right.
And look at how the politicians have us distracted. This healthcare overhaul is not about healthcare at all.
It's about control. Don't lose sight of that.
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Having Obama in control of my health care scares me even more. No politician should have so much control over our well being.
No doubt... The more government jobs created, the more voters on election day.
So if the Feds take over banking and health care what's the next big sector of employment?
Just wanted to seed the discussion with this article...
The Free Market: Four-Step Health Care Solution, A
In my opinion, it is the only approach to reform that makes sense.
I now promise to stay out of this thread.
The Free Market: Four-Step Health Care Solution, A
In my opinion, it is the only approach to reform that makes sense.
I now promise to stay out of this thread.
Energy (Cap & Trade) is their next pet project for squeezing every last drop of power out of America.
You are the reason people hate America.
I suppose a lot of jobs in private health care would have to be cut, but there would be a lot of jobs created in public health care at the same time.
The media could help if they would more often throw out basic facts like :
avg spent per person US dollars 2006 :
USA = $6,714
Canada = $3,678
paid by the government :
USA = $3,089
Canada = $2,575
Wait, there are people on my television screaming that the world will come to an end if US tax payer money is used for health care like those evil Canadians. Hmm, maybe the problems are a lot more complex than the system used to pay for it?
How much of our monies would the government think they need for that to happen, to contain riots, etc.?
Good point, but you wouldn't even be typing that message to us without the government. Would you get rid of government "industries" like public schools, police, fire, NASA, FBI?
Not as many since Obama got elected. :usa:
Poll: US image abroad surges under Obama - Yahoo! News
avg spent per person US dollars 2006 :
USA = $6,714
Canada = $3,678
paid by the government :
USA = $3,089
Canada = $2,575
Wait, there are people on my television screaming that the world will come to an end if US tax payer money is used for health care like those evil Canadians. Hmm, maybe the problems are a lot more complex than the system used to pay for it?
How much of our monies would the government think they need for that to happen, to contain riots, etc.?
Good point, but you wouldn't even be typing that message to us without the government. Would you get rid of government "industries" like public schools, police, fire, NASA, FBI?
Most of the uninsured are citizens.
Not as many since Obama got elected. :usa:
Poll: US image abroad surges under Obama - Yahoo! News
I've seen numbers on this and most of the uninsured are citizens of very little need (younger adults) who could actually afford health insurance but choose not to purchase it. I don't hear any of them screaming about not being covered
Of course not. If I had to choose between U.S. Sovereignty or bending over (ie: Obama's spineless apology tours), I'll take the hatred. We still have the bombs so screw them all if they don't like us.
Here is something interesting i cam across. It's a bunch of very good questions about Health Care Reform that are not being publicly addressed by politicians.
Questions about health care reform (version 1.1) (gabryelski.com)
Questions about health care reform (version 1.1) (gabryelski.com)
Instead of just saying government fails at everything maybe you should look at why it fails. Fedex and UPS both have control of where they deliver shipments. This means they can pick profitable routes and operate them. By choosing not to deliver to a lone farmer 100 miles away from the city, they save money. The USPS does not have that option. They have to deliver mail to every inch of the country. They also deliver UPS packages to places UPS doesn't. Imagine a world without USPS. It would be horrible. Maybe not so much today with the internet and such... but still, a disaster.
This is only 1/2 the equation. Your stat only focuses on price, not quality.
Look for USA/Canadian comparisons on things like avg wait time for procedure, # of procedures covered, overall satisfaction with care, etc and you will find that it's a classic case of "you get what you pay for." It may be cheaper, but it blows.
And nobody likes us better b/c of obama. And on top of that, who cares what other people think
Wrong. it would not be horrible b/c it would be replaced by private industries who would find a way to provide the service at a profit. That's what the private sector does. It has niche experts who fill voids in the market. It's called capitalism.
you are talking from a point of ignorance.
you clearly don't understand why our country is the greatest country on earth in terms of progress.
the reason is small government. (although the ignorant are unfortunately slowly changing that)
your guilt trip does nothing for me. if you are willing to work in this country the rewards are greater than anywhere. period.
it's called capitalism.
BREAKING NEWS: not all of us want to be like your country.
More breaking news: not everyone hates us. you obviously don't travel much. whenever I do, it's the same as here - smart intelligent people love us and miserable people who have a disdain for capitalism don't.
that's nothing new. and if you think W caused that you obviously have no conception of history.
i've been to plenty of places from 2000-2008 where people LOVE us. it's all relative.
this is the land of opportunity, not the land of entitlement.
some of us like it that way.
edit: not all of that was addressed to you but i was too lazy to address everyone's idiotic remarks individually.
The higher costs in the US have a lot more to do with than just quality. It's not a "we're awesome, they blow" black and white comparison.
FOXNews.com - U.S. Trails Others in Health Care Satisfaction - Health News | Current Health News | Medical News
Comparison of Canadian and American health care systems - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Anyways, my point was more to do with how some of the people shouting about "socialism" don't seem to be aware that they already live in a nation where the government spends a huge portion of their tax dollars on health care.
The CIA has done a good job documenting that more hatred against the USA = more terrorists.
I don't understand........
The VAST majority of hospitals in the US are non-profit hospitals , which means if you show up to the ER with a problem , they're required by law to treat you regardless of your ability to pay , if you don't pay they really can't do a whole lot.
I live in a very small town , but our local hospital looses 1.5m each year to this system , while good for the people that can't pay , it directly relates to increased costs of those who can pay.
The most upsetting thing about healthcare in the US is some of the incidents where people use it........Go to a nurse forum and read some of the threads about druggies who have showed up to the hospital litterally hundreds of times for ODing and the like , only to rack up 20-30k in medical expenses , to leave and come back again (there are litterally bums who have took millions of dollars from the healthcare system).
PS - The last news reports I saw said the Cdn and UK systems were both out of money and will require large taxes to be passed to continue on........
The VAST majority of hospitals in the US are non-profit hospitals , which means if you show up to the ER with a problem , they're required by law to treat you regardless of your ability to pay , if you don't pay they really can't do a whole lot.
I live in a very small town , but our local hospital looses 1.5m each year to this system , while good for the people that can't pay , it directly relates to increased costs of those who can pay.
The most upsetting thing about healthcare in the US is some of the incidents where people use it........Go to a nurse forum and read some of the threads about druggies who have showed up to the hospital litterally hundreds of times for ODing and the like , only to rack up 20-30k in medical expenses , to leave and come back again (there are litterally bums who have took millions of dollars from the healthcare system).
PS - The last news reports I saw said the Cdn and UK systems were both out of money and will require large taxes to be passed to continue on........
For one, I find it entirely suspect as to why they would push these bills when we are in a time of complete economic disaster. We have much bigger problems to worry about than health care.
I also am not an advocate of using an externally owned government to control these social programs. Why does the government get to be in charge? Why can't people just be good people and help others without the government? Maybe those pushing social programs turn out not to be as caring about others as they thought they were.
Why does everyone put so much faith in the government to do things? Is it not because they can't take care of themselves? Is somebody ruling over you or you ruling over yourself most beneficial for your well-being?
These are all such surface issues for surface people.
I also am not an advocate of using an externally owned government to control these social programs. Why does the government get to be in charge? Why can't people just be good people and help others without the government? Maybe those pushing social programs turn out not to be as caring about others as they thought they were.
Why does everyone put so much faith in the government to do things? Is it not because they can't take care of themselves? Is somebody ruling over you or you ruling over yourself most beneficial for your well-being?
These are all such surface issues for surface people.