Clearly.
Now that is something one would hope we could all agree on.
Here here!
I forgot to add religion to my list of abortion, capital punishment and gun control earlier.
I must be stoned to have let the biggest one off the list slip my mind.
It Must Have Been Allah's Will Or Something...
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I forgot to add religion to my list of abortion, capital punishment and gun control earlier.
I must be stoned to have let the biggest one off the list slip my mind.
they say the two worst things about being athiest is
1. you get alot of flack from believers
2. you have noones name to yell out when have an orgasm
remember if there was a wrong path to god then we would all probably find it
1. you get alot of flack from believers
2. you have noones name to yell out when have an orgasm
remember if there was a wrong path to god then we would all probably find it
Before or after 9/11?
I don't eggsactly think spending boat loads (literally) of taxpayer $ on a bullshit war, that consequently get's your vice Dick's old company huge no-bid contracts, while bankrupting America, is very safe.
Butt then again, you may be a Govt. worker paid to make bullshit posts.
Politics! #2 on the fucking list... but I guess all the other issues sort of fall under that umbrella, so whatever.
It's not rigid mentality. It is about being intellectually honest.
Ah yes, the same translations that get pasted over and over on the internet by people who have not read the Koran. This is like skipping the book, and watching a movie for the book report.
Without getting into them specifically, the Koran clearly vilifies infidels (unbelievers) which does not include Christians and Jews. They are people of the book. Muslims are allowed to marry Christians and Jews.
Obviously if Muslims can marry Christians and Jews, then it would not necessarily follow that they could slaughter them, would it?
Most of the passages attributed to violence is for defense from pagans who were trying to persecute people of the book, and Mohammad's group in particular. To understand that, you have to know the history of Mohammad, from Mecca to Medina.
The quote from Ibn Ishaq is hadith (SP?) not the Koran. Same thing with Bukhari.
I'm not a religious scholar. But I advise you read the Koran yourself before working off the internet because it seems you are linking to 3 translations, and choosing the most violent one each time.
In some cases, the other two translations you have not pasted have significantly different meanings.
It's cherry picking.
There are billions of Muslims. If they were all being directed by their religion to kill infidels, I suspect the infidels would already be dead. But in most Islamic countries, other religions are marginalized but have lived amongst each other peacefully for centuries. Hell, there are even Jews in the Iranian government!
The Taliban must be doing the same thing. Please email them and tell them to look for less ridiculous, less violent translations, please. Thx.
You are seriously making me gay, because the more you post these guys, the more I start to develop an opinion on whether or not they are good looking or hot.
Bad turbo!
PS, his head looks like it is shopped on.
Bad turbo!
PS, his head looks like it is shopped on.
The taxpayer $ Obama has spent in his first 4 months makes Bush look like a penny pincher. Also, the fact is that GE ( which owns MSNBC - the official Obama media outlet) donated heavily to get Obama elected and now that they have him in power, Obama is paying back the favor by pushing his national health care ( which GE will makes millions from) & his Green agenda ( GE will corner the market here as well).
So.. the Obama/GE/MSNBC connection is multiple times worse than Cheney & Halliburton. In fact, Obama has set new records of wasting taxpayer $ and doing favors for his political bedfellows. GE is about to get a windfall from supporting Obama - so if corruption bothers you, speak out against the Obama/GE connection.
You don't have to like Bush, but you have to admit that he did not apologize to everyone he met about how horrible AMerica was, or bow down to Muslim leaders, or snub Great Britian ( our closest ally ).
I am very worried about what he do on his upcoming Arab tour. I want to believe he will stand up for our ally Israel and for AMerica ... but he seems to be ashamed of his own country and more interested in wowing the Muslims than doing his job. He does not even seem to understand that his cozying up to Islam is being interpretted by them as weakness - which they will exploit.
What a copout. Assert that every single verse I quoted is a mistranslation, and then provide absolutely no backup or proof of the 'correct' translation by saying you're no religious scholar. What's the alternate translation for 'kill the unbeliever'? Go to the store and pick up some eggs?
Then attempt to sidestep those pesky 'mistranslated' verses by insinuating that even if they do exist in the Koran, they're not that bad because we'd all be dead if all Muslims took them seriously. Well, guess what - not all of them have to take it seriously. Only a tiny percentage of the 1 billion has to, and you have 9/11, Iraq, U.S.S. Cole, Madrid, 7/7, etc..
What's sad is you can't even make up your mind and you're vacillating all over the place. You won't condemn a book that literally incites murder. If any one of those 'mistranslations' was in the Torah or the New Testament, Christians would be excoriated, vilified and probably have the Bible banned. Pitiful.
And Turbo, thanks again for trying to spam this thread. You and Nevele make quite the team.
Probably. They are probably doing the same thing to the Bible. Conflating it with violence and statements that are false. Demonizing Americans as pornographers or baby killers or who knows what else.
That is how you create a drum beat for war. The average Joe just wants to raise his kids, poke his wife and watch TV. There isn't much in going to war, unless someone can convince him his life or his soul is under attack.
And that is what has always been the drive to get Joe the plumber to go fight Abdullah the barber. Two guys who basically want the same things out of life, convinced that they are mortal enemies and must fight to the death.
It's funny you mention an average Joe. Frontline ran a documentary the other night titled "Pakistan Under Siege". You can watch it here:Pakistan Under Siege | FRONTLINE/World | PBS Video
Start at about 49:00(it counts the runtime backwards so the end is 00:00) and you see the lady who's narrating the documentary covering up as she drives into Swat, Pakistan, one of the places the Taliban has been fighting for control of, and past the square where the Taliban does public beheadings(probably for things such as breaking Sharia law), and you can hear the taliban on the loud speakers saying:
"Sharia law is our right, and we will exercise the right, whatever happens."
"I swear to God we will shed our own blood to achieve this."
"We will make our sons suicide bombers!"
"We will make our sons suicide bombers!"
"I swear to God if our leader orders me, I will sacrifice myself, and blow myself up in the middle of my enemies."
She then explains that it's become the Taliban's goal to destroy schools and to make it illegal for girls to go to school.(they only really want boys in school and then the only thing they have them do is memorize the Koran.)
She talks to two little girls amongst the rubble that used to be their school before the Taliban destroyed it, then they go to talk to their father, an average Pakistani Joe.
He explains that he and most people don't listen to the latest edicts on the loud speakers for fun, but they do listen, out of fear. They know the consequences of not listening and obeying what the Taliban is trying to enforce, the Taliban makes the consequences well known.
He goes on to explain how the people are depressed, no one in the city smiles, yet their mouths are "locked up" and their "thoughts are chained".
So obviously the religious drumbeat of war is loud and strong in Pakistan.
Since the documentary was filmed the Pakistani government basically gave Swat to the Taliban by allowing them to enforce Sharia Law.
I think it's just wonderful that their influence is spreading beyond the more backwards tribal regions into the cities of Pakistan. I'm not worried that they will get ahold of Pakistan's 100 or so nuclear weapons, because if they do, and they use them, it will be Allah's will, peace be upon him.
Without a doubt. It serves no one except the thugs. That is how most of Asia and Africa operates. That is why they cannot progress socially. Everything is done with the club and shouting.
Pakistan has always been a mess because in the urban areas you have people still trying to embrace the remnants of British colonialism and in the rural areas you have people living like it is the 1400s. But the Pakistani military has always been very pro-Taliban, and even when Musharaff was supported by the West, by overthrowing the democratic government with a military coup, they were always very friendly to the NWFP and Pathans because those regions supply a lot of the manpower for the military.
Why can't I remember the name of the lady who got killed? Anyway, she was overthrown by Musharaff, and the west backed him. This is what makes foreign intervention so complicated. But again, we're back into geo-politics and I was just trying to make the point that the people who criticize Islam don't know much about it, because if they did, they would know that it is very close to Christianity and Judaism, and those 3 beliefs have lived in harmony a lot more than they have lived in conflict throughout history.
I'm not an "anything" because Christians make Christianity look bad (and I like the Judeo-Christian morality a lot). And there are fanatical muslims who make Islam look bad. Better to just try to live a good life and hope if there is a God, you can pass the entrance test without being a member of any particular party. I would like to believe if there is a God, he rewards people for good deeds, and not because they prayed in a certain temple/church/mosque/synagoge.
Benazir Bhutto (sp?). Just remembered.
Benazir Bhutto. The current President's late wife.
I think we only supported him after 9/11 because we needed friends in the area. Is there evidence that we took part in the coup?
I think they're all retarded. It's just that in our way of life(western based democracies) we have tamed people like hellblazer so they don't end up turning into the taliban. They may condone the actions of people who kill others(like the abortion doctor) for religious reasons but they're much less likely to put anything into action. And the ones who do take action, like the abortion doctor shooter, are kept on the margins.
Yeah.
pictures are convenient. and expedient. and communicate more than words.
each one used has a fairly straightforward point. chiseled manboobs and bikini bullriding included.
for example, this:
references how predominant religious belief was used to further political goals.
same deal with modern rabble rousing, including this specific instance of an unholy and intolerable threat to the american way and your child's safety.
it may be spam. but if it is, then this entire thread is spam.
which it easily could be.
unsolicited religious and political propaganda. feeding egos and exposing jackassery and satisfying the human need for conflict, here, without violence.
respectable enough.
until those damn muslins destroy amerguh with black devil magic from the kooran.
or a soldier of god firebombs a clinic that provides medical care to women unwilling to bring a child into the world.
or a <insert fanatical believer here> decides to <crime against humanity here> because said belief justifies their action. which inevitably leads to <political power> capitalizing on <crime> caused by <fanatical belief>, <political pawns> reinforcing their <beliefs> with <propaganda>, and hilariously irrelevant discussion topics encouraged by <political power>.
it's a joke. these threads are a joke. and as much as I'd like to spend time entertaining your desires here by responding proper -- it's certainly needed on some level -- time is precious, guerilla does a damn fine job, and I'd rather refocus your focus on actual problems such as these:
now I understand most aren't big fans of non-ideological reality, and enjoy the debate of 'real is what I say is real' problems -- like some misguided motherfucker killing in the name of. I enjoy it too, in moderation.
so please, pardon the alternate viewpoints you call spam.
this is easier, faster, and communicates just as much:
I meant the West in general. There was no back pressure on Musharraf to restore democracy or to yield back the government. He was given a seat at the table because he controlled the nukes. I suspect that would be the objective of the Taliban as well, although they probably did control the nukes indirectly through Musharraf anyways.
Like I said, a guy like you and I, generally we just want the same things and see it the same way (in the biggest sense). We just want to live life, have fun, make monies online... What you or I worship or not doesn't really matter to each others' ends.
Thank you but I waste a lot of time on this stuff. I am an idiot.
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