What if your primary bank suddenly stopped paying interest? What if the teller says you that you cannot withdraw money because they haven't received their shipment from the main vault yet? Would you continue to bank with them? While this is a rather drastic comparison, the concept still applies, they take a cut for mitigating the risk from the publisher (in theory).
Suck a Dick Vivera/Opes/Mike/Mitch/DEE
- Thread starter mysticls
- Start date
What if your primary bank suddenly stopped paying interest? What if the teller says you that you cannot withdraw money because they haven't received their shipment from the main vault yet? Would you continue to bank with them? While this is a rather drastic comparison, the concept still applies, they take a cut for mitigating the risk from the publisher (in theory).
If you want to continue banking on free trial weight loss products, make sure you choose a bank within the DeeFDIC. I would reconsider my business model if I was still dependent on these revenue sources. Diversify and find advertisers you can trust. There are a few out there.
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned or not (I haven't read the first 2 pages in a week or so), but doesn't this also artificially inflate the EPC/Conversions? You are potentially seeing 17% conversions and sky high EPC's through out the course of the pay period only to realize that half of those will be pulled. Other pubs are being pitched the same high EPC. Seems like a win/win for network/advertiser, they can both advertise sky high #'s when in reality its half....
Meanwhile MOST (not all, pay attention pissboy) campaigns out there skirt, tweak, break, defy, side step, ignore, bastardize, dance around, or are plain ignorant of the rules, laws, guidelines, and suggestions.
Awesome deflecting dick joke. I figure you employed it to hide that fact that you are waffling and bullshitting your way into a defense.
Um yea, see the part about scammers getting scammed and things that are too good to be true being; well err, too good to be true.
Yea well, Bernie Madoff made more than me too. By the way, did I miss the part where amount of money makes you more or less correct on an issue? I may have. What I did not miss was the part where you peppered your weaksauce argument with dick jokes and ball references to cover your vapid and inane point of view and lack of anything that resembles a fact.As far as who the fuck I am and what I know I don't have to prove shit to you - but I work closely w/ a few of the networks on here and they know who I amAnd no, no saggy pants, I don't live with my mom, I don't take the bus and yes, I am over 21. Now want you wan't to come tickle my balls? cool. Odds are I've made 100x time more than you will ever make in your whole life in the passed 3 years before I even knew what a rebill was. What bugs me is how you put all rebillers in the same category.
Does it bug you that I put all rebillers in the same category? So sorry. Maybe next time, fuckball, you'll try not to invent nonexistent qualifiers to my arguments.
Was promised Sat. by AM that we would be paid Yesterday. Still nothing 
Copeac has been really good on paying but a month with no pay = lost money for both of us. Would love to see my 20K+ at least this week.
Copeac has been really good on paying but a month with no pay = lost money for both of us. Would love to see my 20K+ at least this week.
What everyone keeps repeating, and what seems to me, to be the main theme of the thread NOW, is the fact that networks now are adopting the, "we wont pay you until we get paid" stance. Now, I can see where they're coming from, a LOT of networks are on the hook for a lot of money they will probably never see, but as many have said, networks doing this negates their purpose almost entirely.
Sure, networks are good because they have a large variety of offers you can pull from and probably can't find on your own quickly, that allows you to start new campaigns ect without time spent on biz dev, financing and the like. One of their main purposes is to provide cash flow to affiliates while protecting advertisers from shady affiliates.
If a network, like copeac or any other network in the space, says "I wont pay you until I get paid", what is the reason to run that offer with them? As far as I can see, stop running it. There are alternatives. Although they may do worse, I'd rather know I'm going to be paid versus some 'shady' stuff going on and potentially not getting paid.
I think a lot of networks need to re-evaluate why they're in business at this point. Were they just here for fast continuity money, or can they actually stick around, and use the old business model. If the answer is no, they need to radically change their business model and move out of the middleman role that they're centered in right now.
In regards to Copeac, They're supposed to be one of the "majors" in this space. Getting paid is their responsibility not an affiliate's. If the advertiser is slow at paying or not paying, cut off the offer, don't punish your affiliates. By withholding payment for a period of time basically you're forcing a interest free short term business loan upon your affiliates. If you are going to do this, at least pay a % or some kind of fee to affiliates for withholding their money. I mean what other business or person, loans out money for free for a period of time, almost no one (rephrase that - NO ONE), and then being forced to?
Just my 0.02...
Sure, networks are good because they have a large variety of offers you can pull from and probably can't find on your own quickly, that allows you to start new campaigns ect without time spent on biz dev, financing and the like. One of their main purposes is to provide cash flow to affiliates while protecting advertisers from shady affiliates.
If a network, like copeac or any other network in the space, says "I wont pay you until I get paid", what is the reason to run that offer with them? As far as I can see, stop running it. There are alternatives. Although they may do worse, I'd rather know I'm going to be paid versus some 'shady' stuff going on and potentially not getting paid.
I think a lot of networks need to re-evaluate why they're in business at this point. Were they just here for fast continuity money, or can they actually stick around, and use the old business model. If the answer is no, they need to radically change their business model and move out of the middleman role that they're centered in right now.
In regards to Copeac, They're supposed to be one of the "majors" in this space. Getting paid is their responsibility not an affiliate's. If the advertiser is slow at paying or not paying, cut off the offer, don't punish your affiliates. By withholding payment for a period of time basically you're forcing a interest free short term business loan upon your affiliates. If you are going to do this, at least pay a % or some kind of fee to affiliates for withholding their money. I mean what other business or person, loans out money for free for a period of time, almost no one (rephrase that - NO ONE), and then being forced to?
Just my 0.02...
Nope. spring cleaning other than a teeth offer which we are awaiting a wire for. Still rocking over here, We typically shut the shit down before it hits the fan or causes a thread like this.
Deepak sounds like Mayer Amschel Rothschild;
"Give me control of a nation's money supply,
and I care not who makes the laws."
:bowdown:
So its now Tuesday night already (Wednesday on the right hand side of the screen).
Surprise surprise Deepak has not yet wired Mike.
Apparently its coming tomorrow?
A couple of issues I have with this whole situation (apart from the obvious that i have over 20k in limbo)
a) Mike here stated above that not all pubs were held back, only "a few"
"A few pubs with recent traffic (past 2-3 weeks) have not been paid yet"
I've never had problems with the quality of my traffic so the question begs to be asked why was I one of the few that was not paid. Further, who was paid ? Was it the big guys who got paid leaving 'a few' small guys in the lurch? Or maybe the ones outside of the US (not so close to NJ to come knocking) who didnt get paid?
So why me?
How many is a few and why am I one of them.
My second issue with how this is playing out, is why am I not getting paid on the traffic I made that didnt go to Dee, (CPS offer - over 10k of leads Ftw)
Why are those funds being held out on me?
My final question is - what are you going to do if Dee says the wire was sent... and you dont get it (or if he is honest?!?! and says he isnt/can't send it)
Surprise surprise Deepak has not yet wired Mike.
Apparently its coming tomorrow?
A couple of issues I have with this whole situation (apart from the obvious that i have over 20k in limbo)
a) Mike here stated above that not all pubs were held back, only "a few"
"A few pubs with recent traffic (past 2-3 weeks) have not been paid yet"
I've never had problems with the quality of my traffic so the question begs to be asked why was I one of the few that was not paid. Further, who was paid ? Was it the big guys who got paid leaving 'a few' small guys in the lurch? Or maybe the ones outside of the US (not so close to NJ to come knocking) who didnt get paid?
So why me?
How many is a few and why am I one of them.
My second issue with how this is playing out, is why am I not getting paid on the traffic I made that didnt go to Dee, (CPS offer - over 10k of leads Ftw)
Why are those funds being held out on me?
My final question is - what are you going to do if Dee says the wire was sent... and you dont get it (or if he is honest?!?! and says he isnt/can't send it)
1. Post on WF that most people have been paid and "a few" will get their wires next week.
2. Pray that you actually get paid and dont end up eating $x,xxx,xxx
3. Attempt to cut losses by stiffing affiliates
4. Lose reputation as a legit network
5. ???
6. Profit....?