Torture Doesn't Work - Now Get The Fuck Out.
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All that means is 60% of Americans are ignorant retards.
Sorry.
BTW, it did help your image abroad. The rest of the world thinks there is now hope that this inhumane, pathetic shit might stop under a responsible government with a set of morals beyond "urrrrrgh muslims are terrorists".
Called out like what? I am a liberal housewife that makes a shit load of money for my family. I don't see one thing about that sentence to feel ashamed for.
Is that supposed to be an intelligent response? Simply call 60% of Americans 'retards' and call it a day? Good Lord, this is pathetic.
Do you know what's inhumane? Pulling eyes out. Drilling people's hands. Burning people's skin with hot irons. Dragging people behind speeding cars. You know, shit that Al Qaeda actually does.
That's what I consider inhumane. Not dunking somebody in water with a doctor present. Not practices that will never cause permanent harm. Not throwing them against a flexible wall or playing Red Hot Chili Peppers.
Now that we've taken these techniques off the table, what's left? Talking - that's it.
This administration actually expects hardened killers to simply break down and divulge their plots from talking. Now maybe if they played Obama's speeches for them it might work, but I think even that violates the Geneva Conventions.
The writing's on the wall. Ultimately what you all refuse to see is unimportant, because history will be our judges. Now that there is no possible way to break up terrorist attacks, they will succeed.
And I don't want to hear this conspiratorial shit like "Dude, the CIA really has better techniques, they're just not telling the public about them..."
They don't.
Read something besides the fucking New York Times for once. People in the CIA are freaking terrified of what Obama's doing. They think he's gonna prosecute them for trying to defend this country. You think any of them will interrogate these motherfuckers hard now? Not a chance - they're too busy worrying about being investigated or prosecuted by John Conyers or Pat Leahy.
It's easy to see what will happen. There'll be another attack on this country during Obama's tenure. Perhaps some of you will start seeing the truth then.
Dude, how scared of life are you?
I don't give a fuck! I want to be safe, but this country has to stand for something.
It's fucking torture. We're the United States. We do not compromise everything that makes our country special because some idiots can't handle the reality that life is a fucking scary place.
It's lonely at the top. It sucks. In the same way Alli probably wished they could have an army of flogs when everyone here was running Acai, it's understandable that the United States looks at what our enemies do and think "Hey, that's not fair. We can't do that".
But they're fucking right. We can't do that.
When it all comes down to it, "enhanced interrogation" is completely ineffective(fake info/info gotten otherwise), is illegal, and is immoral.
In Short: Grow a pair, take off the panties, and venture out into the big bad world without the government having to constantly reassure you of safety. There's a lotta shit in the world more dangerous than terrorists, and there's a lot more likely way to die.
I can't believe how little pride this country has left. Fucking cowards.
right on...
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
-Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
Yeah, NYT is the end all authority in politics LOL
Let's just play nice and all the bad people will just go away
Let's just play nice and all the bad people will just go away
1. This article is a op-ed piece. Defined:
There is a very distinct difference between fact, and opinion. Mr. Soufan refers to a small handful of cases in recent history, in which torture or harsh interrogation techniques did not work, with the information he had available to him.
There is no definitive answer to whether or not torture "Works", which is why there has been so much debate around this issue.
If torture "Works" or not depends on so many variables, a few:
1. Objective or Intent
What's the objective of the interrogation? To acquire intelligence? To inflict physical/emotional pain?
2. Subject
Who's being interrogated? Some people may cave very easily, in which case torture works "very well". Some people may never, ever give in the interrogators intentions, in which case torture "doesn't work".
3. Accepted Success Ratio
If torture "works" 50% of the time, does that constitute enough to say it works?
TRIVIA
Q: If some zoogles are zaggles, and all zaggles are ziggles, the following statement is true or false: All ziggles and definitely zaggles.
Apply this logic to torture, look at this question for a scientific perspective, and you'll see why it's not easy to answer.
Does torture work? Maybe. Not always. Sometimes. It Depends.
There is a very distinct difference between fact, and opinion. Mr. Soufan refers to a small handful of cases in recent history, in which torture or harsh interrogation techniques did not work, with the information he had available to him.
There is no definitive answer to whether or not torture "Works", which is why there has been so much debate around this issue.
If torture "Works" or not depends on so many variables, a few:
1. Objective or Intent
What's the objective of the interrogation? To acquire intelligence? To inflict physical/emotional pain?
2. Subject
Who's being interrogated? Some people may cave very easily, in which case torture works "very well". Some people may never, ever give in the interrogators intentions, in which case torture "doesn't work".
3. Accepted Success Ratio
If torture "works" 50% of the time, does that constitute enough to say it works?
TRIVIA
Q: If some zoogles are zaggles, and all zaggles are ziggles, the following statement is true or false: All ziggles and definitely zaggles.
Apply this logic to torture, look at this question for a scientific perspective, and you'll see why it's not easy to answer.
Does torture work? Maybe. Not always. Sometimes. It Depends.
you guys are all blind fools! the major battle of christians and muslims is about to begin. George bush is going to be a hero very soon. all the arabs are slowly letting themselves into our country and Europe. soon they will all start attacking in unisen from within. george bush just won ourselves a big chuck of the middle east to help fight back and destory them. George W Bush will be the biggest hero ever just you wait and see..
Again, you're back to arguing not a principle (torture is wrong) but magnitude (how much torture is wrong) and utility (torture works).
By supporting torture, you are giving a free pass to the more violent forms of torture used by your "enemies" because you have claimed torture works and therefore is permissible. That's known as the "slippery slope" of an ends justify the means position.
In fact, you've constructed a circular position that torture is wrong when they do it, so you have to do it, to keep them from doing it.
If you're a Christian, you can't support torture. It's completely incompatible with the teachings and life of Jesus Christ. I can't speak for many other religions because I only have a little knowledge of them.
I usually don't give a shit about political topics but since Indian Police is extremely notorious for torturing people so I have an opinion about the topic. Torture has made no difference in levels of crime and has instead lead to a defiance of authority.
Actionable information? Kiss my ass.
My dad was a colonel in the Indian Army and he was in charge of anti-insurgency operation in one of the worst affected parts of the state of Punjab in early 90s (http://punjabtrauma.org). His unit hardly ever used torture and got much much better results by using psychological tactics (I should mention that my dad also used to be an instructor of Applied Psychology at Indian Military Academy when he was a Captain).
Well, I can't certainly change the mindset of church-fags and fox-addicts in this thread but I do trust my dad's opinion on the subject and agree that it is much more effective to use psychological tactics than plain torture tactics.
Actionable information? Kiss my ass.
My dad was a colonel in the Indian Army and he was in charge of anti-insurgency operation in one of the worst affected parts of the state of Punjab in early 90s (http://punjabtrauma.org). His unit hardly ever used torture and got much much better results by using psychological tactics (I should mention that my dad also used to be an instructor of Applied Psychology at Indian Military Academy when he was a Captain).
Well, I can't certainly change the mindset of church-fags and fox-addicts in this thread but I do trust my dad's opinion on the subject and agree that it is much more effective to use psychological tactics than plain torture tactics.
Ok libs, just imagine that John Stewart, Kieth Oberman and Racheal Maddow is wrong on the subject. Lets just imagine for a moment that they and the majority of the members on this forum aren't experts in interogation (remember now Im just playing the devils advocate here).
Let's go out on a limb and say dozens of CIA and ex CIA are correct about recieving information from these terrorist idiots that did stop an attack on LA.
Now can we all just agree that dunken some hairy ape guy in some water and putting catipillars in his cell is a worth saving maybe thousands of innocent American lives in LA??
Of course we all know that Keith Oberman is way smarter and more credible than all the CIA guys but hey can't we just play what if ???
Let's go out on a limb and say dozens of CIA and ex CIA are correct about recieving information from these terrorist idiots that did stop an attack on LA.
Now can we all just agree that dunken some hairy ape guy in some water and putting catipillars in his cell is a worth saving maybe thousands of innocent American lives in LA??
Of course we all know that Keith Oberman is way smarter and more credible than all the CIA guys but hey can't we just play what if ???
Wow your dad would be so freakin fascinating to talk to. I didn't even know the Military cared to use such a division. IMO there should be a division like that in every agency/corporation military or civil.
No.
(I hate that I type "No" and hit save and wf tells me my answer is too short. Well maybe I just want to say no. Maybe I don't want to tack on a stupid gay smiley con. Perhaps I don't want to write a book and ramble on and on and on...)
What has brought you to the point to just spout "NO" at any mention of possible evidence or fact that could be agaisnt your beliefs. You must consider both sides of any argument before you can actually make an intelligent and careful decision.
My daughter spouts "NO" when I ask her to eat her vegetables. She does this because she doesn't really give a damn if they are good for her or not. She just knows that they taste bad.
Are you spouting "NO" because maybe GB's admin has done the right thing and saved thousands of American lives in the process. Maybe the truth "taste bad" to you?
Is there a dating site for those? Oh wait...I guess they'd already be married. But still?
Hmmm My son insists on believing in a god. He's 7. He also believes in a fat man that can hand presents out magically all over the world in a single night, a fairy that deals in teeth , a bunny that delivers chocolate. Do you believe in a god too?
(Is this relevant? not really but then again neither was your post.)
I love the people who use this quote. Like it's some amazing thing. At least you didn't paraphrase it like most people and remove the most important elements. You see that little part about essential and temporary? What essential liberty are we giving up by pouring water on three very naughty people? Please, inform us all.
This will be fun. Let's pretend we're back in high school:
According to the NY Times: Torture does not work
According to the intelligence reports and the fact that LA isn't missing a building: Water boarding did work
Thus, water boarding isn't torture.
That was fun.
According to the NY Times: Torture does not work
According to the intelligence reports and the fact that LA isn't missing a building: Water boarding did work
Thus, water boarding isn't torture.
That was fun.
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