Torture Doesn't Work - Now Get The Fuck Out.

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The tactics we use today are nothing compared to the ones we used in WW2. You guys let the main stream media wind you up in a frenzy too much. No one (not you or top Democrats) gave a fuck about waterboarding after 911. Now that Move on and MSNBC have made waterboarding into a bumber sticker, all the kooks are comming from behind the rocks.

Allright fess up libbys, this is about Bush and Cheney, right. I mean you guys can't let those two spend the rest of their short days in peace...right.



Thank you---torture them all and torture them hard, in war we dont have time to sit and ask nicely, information is useless unless we uncover plots BEFORE they happen---fuck you liberals BTW how many of you CNN opinionated pussies have every been on the front lines? hands anyone?

and for the foreigners that say we tarnished our image? how cause we defend our people with any means necessary? sorry but thats what we do here---the reason your countries are in the situation they are is cause you dont do everything necessary to get the job done. That is why WE ---THE USA--are the superpower, not you---
 


These people against enchanced interogation techniques are no different than everyone else. You can take the most militant flaming liberal and have a terrorist saw their mother's head off with a butter knife and they will all of a sudden be in favor of waterboarding. That is what makes their arguments so lame.

These arguments are not against these tactics. They are a deep hatred and teenage rebellion that has been stewing for the last 8 years. They are in constant bombardment of MSNBC rhetoric. They are the results of constantly being feed propaganda from moveon.org. They are the results of being brainwashed by their libreal teachers and professors. A lot of liberal college students don't even really remember 911. They were still playing with barbie dolls and toy cars. They grew up the last 10 years on the net where liberal ideas run rampant.

It's cool to hate bush and EVERYTHING he put in place. It's cool now to make fun of christians and everyone that doesn't believe in their 4chan mentallity.
 
you guys are all blind fools! the major battle of christians and muslims is about to begin. George bush is going to be a hero very soon. all the arabs are slowly letting themselves into our country and Europe. soon they will all start attacking in unisen from within. george bush just won ourselves a big chuck of the middle east to help fight back and destory them. George W Bush will be the biggest hero ever just you wait and see..

ZOMG MY MOM FOUND WICKEDFIRE!
 
I think the stupid part is that you just can not be sure if someone is telling you the truth under torture! hell, I have a high pain threshold, but I am sure that at some point I would confess to all sorts of things...if it would make the torture stop! so why even bother?

if there is info that our 'spy-guys' really need? we have all sorts of wonderful drugs that we can introduce these terrorists to that will have them chatting away quite happily:music07:

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@moratraffic - Nice! Using guilt to convince people to agree with your flawed opinions. Just because you were drunk and killed a person in a nightclub doesn't mean that you should not be prosecuted for it. Same with emotions after 9/11 -- anger clouds your judgment and it is very hard to think rationally.

Our soldiers and leaders are being indicted and interrogated over doing what they think is right. They are saving our asses. They are the ones putting their lives on the line for us and this is the thanks we give them.

What they think is right is a very subjective thing. Yes, they should be respected for saving your asses but there are limits to everything. Will you let a 50 year old veteran come and rape your 16 year old? Well, by your logic, they are saving your ass so they deserve to be able to do anything.

@Hellblazer -- Logic and common sense doesn't work on you and I have better things to do than waste my time on you. I will let you get back to watching your "eminent authority" with an agenda of saving his own ass and making his agency look good.

And considering your posting patters, I would have no trouble believing that you might be a redneck and could be inbreeding.

@kushoffer + erifdekciw - Were you born a retard or recently became that? Your stupidity doesn't even warrant a response.

@popeye

It's cool to hate bush and EVERYTHING he put in place. It's cool now to make fun of christians and everyone that doesn't believe in their 4chan mentallity.

I have a lot of christian friends -- however, I do have a big problem with Church Fags who wear their beliefs on their sleeves and try to impose them on everyone. As long as you keep your religion to yourself, no one will have a problem with it.

Anyway I am not going to be able to see wickedfire till next Sunday, so enjoy banging your heads against each other.
 
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I have a lot of christian friends -- however, I do have a big problem with Church Fags who wear their beliefs on their sleeves and try to impose them on everyone. As long as you keep your religion to yourself, no one will have a problem with it.

Anyway I am not going to be able to see wickedfire till next Sunday, so enjoy banging your heads against each other.

I agree with you and wish atheist would keep their beliefs to themselves as well. I find the beliefs lazy and ignorant and would rather not be subjected to them.
 
Wow! I'm totally blown away by some of the statements made here.

Doesn't everyone agree that there are terrorist in the world who would like to do harm to the USA? And that these same people would hurt or kill innocent people who live in the USA?

Maybe I'm in the minority because of my age but I'm married and have three young children. Their safety and well being is my number one priority in life PERIOD. Nothing comes before my family, nothing.

The fact remains that we haven't been attacked in the last eight years and the waterboarding has been going on during that time. Does it work? Maybe so. Would we have been safe without the waterboarding? We don't know.

I'd rather be safe and have some terrorist have his head dunked in water than to of had innocent people die in this country.

Since we truely don't know if these tactics work (some people say yes and some people say no). I'd like to hear from some of the people who do have children that they would rather put a terrorists rights before their children's safety.
 
Homer: Not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a charm.
Lisa: That’s specious reasoning, Dad.
Homer: Thank you, dear.
Lisa: By your logic I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.
Homer: Oh, how does it work?
Lisa: It doesn’t work.
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: It’s just a stupid rock.
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: But I don’t see any tigers around, do you?
Homer: Lisa, I want to buy your rock.
 
@moratraffic - Nice! Using guilt to convince people to agree with your flawed opinions. Just because you were drunk and killed a person in a nightclub doesn't mean that you should not be prosecuted for it. Same with emotions after 9/11 -- anger clouds your judgment and it is very hard to think rationally.

Getting drunk in a nightclub in a CHOICE that you can make. Going to work and dying because someone decided to run a fuckin plane into your building is a tad different story. And how is my opinion flawed? It is my opinion. To me, your opinion is flawed so it means nothing to me.

Maybe I am with Flatline too on this one. I have 3 kids too and would protect them with my life and I would kill anyone that would harm them in any way. That is how I feel about my country too. I have no problem with our country fighting back when provoked. When they show simple human respect for others lives, then they will deserve to receive it in return. Until then, I could care less what happens to terrorists.
 
Wow! I'm totally blown away by some of the statements made here.

Doesn't everyone agree that there are terrorist in the world who would like to do harm to the USA? And that these same people would hurt or kill innocent people who live in the USA?

Maybe I'm in the minority because of my age but I'm married and have three young children. Their safety and well being is my number one priority in life PERIOD. Nothing comes before my family, nothing.

The fact remains that we haven't been attacked in the last eight years and the waterboarding has been going on during that time. Does it work? Maybe so. Would we have been safe without the waterboarding? We don't know.

I'd rather be safe and have some terrorist have his head dunked in water than to of had innocent people die in this country.

Since we truely don't know if these tactics work (some people say yes and some people say no). I'd like to hear from some of the people who do have children that they would rather put a terrorists rights before their children's safety.

Most people will come around to your way of thinking, when they have a family to take care of and taxes to pay. I was a staunch liberal in college and turned totally around when my daughter was born. My liberal views were also changed that year when I had to cut a check for 75k in taxes to the government.
 
Most people will come around to your way of thinking, when they have a family to take care of and taxes to pay.

I agree that getting older and having a family changes your ideas about some things, it may even a person more conservative. It does not have to a make a person a fear-mongering self absorbed idiot, though. Which is my general impression of the conservative right.
 
I agree that getting older and having a family changes your ideas about some things, it may even a person more conservative. It does not have to a make a person a fear-mongering self absorbed idiot, though. Which is my general impression of the conservative right.
I agree with you, but let's not write the democrats off. They're the fucking masters of fearmongering.
The republicans scare people, do what they want, then if they get caught justify it with the fear.
The democrats scare people with their fearmongering to make the people want to be protected(people *demanding* they do what they wanted to do anyways), then they do so.

This is why we never seem to get rights back, only lose them. 2 parties doing the same thing 2 different ways, both with shitty intentions(moar fed power).
I dislike the conservative right just as much as you I suspect, but let's not pretend they're any more manipulative than the dems.
 
1: Terrorists maim and / or torture people, using a range of bot physical and /or psychological tactics in order to obtain information from them, and inspire fear and / or terror into them and their remaining civilian populations.
Ergo maiming and / or torturing people, using physical and / or psychological, tactics to obtain information and inspire fear and / or terror is an act of terror.
Q.E.D. CIA operatives are using terrorist methods to achieve their goals of fighting terrorism, regardless of moral equivalency.
Explain how terrorism can be fought with terrorism, without resorting to arguments based on the precept, or perceptions of, moral equivalency.

2: You are statistically more likely to be struck by, and severely injured and / or killed, by lightning than by an act of terrorism.
Explain what precautions and measures you are insisting your government take to protect you from lightning strikes, what liberties you are willing to forgo to ensure you are not struck by lightning, and what amount of government funding should be set aside to protect people from lightning.

3: Hypothetically, there is legislation in place allowing the torture of any individual that may potentially have knowledge of, or know of someone with knowledge of, an imminent terrorist attack, and you support such legislation.
Due to an administrative error one letter is misspelled in the names on the suspect list for a domestic terror group thought to be planning an attack. Due to computerised ID matching, a member of your family is selected to be the most likely person on that suspect list.
They are raided in the middle of the night, taken, and are now likely to be tortured for a number of hours before the oversight comes to light when a desk clerk manually checks the information some time next day or the day after.
This is most likely 12-36 hours away, during which time said family member is having a number of physical and / or psychological tactics used against them, regardless of their protstation that they are both a US citizen and have universal human rights regardless of those laid out in the Constitution.
In light of this, argue how you will continue your support for legislation that allows detention without right to habeus corpus and supports torture.

Shit, I should write essay questions for college students!

Getting drunk in a nightclub in a CHOICE that you can make. Going to work and dying because someone decided to run a fuckin plane into your building is a tad different story.
You're confusing the aggressor for the victim in this euphemism.
Getting drunk and accidentally killing someone is the same choice as getting into a plane and flying it into a building.
Going to a pub and getting glassed in a fight is the same outcome as going to work and having a plane ride into your building.

You're letting emotion and preconceived points of view get in the way of understanding other people's lines of reason.
 
I agree with you, but let's not write the democrats off. They're the fucking masters of fearmongering.
The republicans scare people, do what they want, then if they get caught justify it with the fear.
The democrats scare people with their fearmongering to make the people want to be protected(people *demanding* they do what they wanted to do anyways), then they do so.

This is why we never seem to get rights back, only lose them. 2 parties doing the same thing 2 different ways, both with shitty intentions(moar fed power).
I dislike the conservative right just as much as you I suspect, but let's not pretend they're any more manipulative than the dems.

Agree completely.

But then again I don't really consider myself a Democrat. More of a Left Libertarian, If there is such a thing.
 
More of a Left Libertarian, If there is such a thing.
There is, but it's not you. Left libertarians are anarchists. (not that there is anything wrong with anarchy)

Perhaps "Classic Liberal" would be more appropriate.
 
I am a liberal
I don't really consider myself a Democrat. More of a Left Libertarian, If there is such a thing.

Liberal != anything close to a Libertarian.

In fact, they are diametrical opposites. The term Left Libertarian is a logical contradiction, as the left prefer government control over pretty much everything, and libertarians prefer liberty above all -- which is most plausible with the least amount of government control possible.
 
Liberal != anything close to a Libertarian
The first libertarians were Classic Liberals from the Enlightenment era. (Molinari, Bastiat, De la Boetie etc)

The modern usage of liberal is borrowed and incorrect. Modern liberals are progressives. Classic liberals were much closer to conservatives, minus the war mongering and religious fanaticism.

Not to mention that the term Left Libertarian is ludicrous, as the left prefer government control over pretty much everything, and libertarians prefer liberty above all -- which is most plausible with the least amount of government intervention possible.
The original political left were the classic liberals, and the right were the Tories.

Left libertarians are anarchists.

So, Left Libertarian is a logical contradiction.
Only because you have a limited amount of knowledge to draw logical conclusions from.

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Bush invaded Iraq to get hands on the oil, thats what I think. And Obama goes to Iran and says we are not enemy of Islam. Its just the news, I never bother to read them any more, it is all nonsense and not worth one paisa to any self-thinking human being.
 
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